White gloss paint

[dwynnehugh]

Can anyone please recommend a brand of white / brilliant white etc gloss paint that remains white for more than 3 months before slowly turning to a mushroom colour.

Over the past few years I have tried Crown and Dulux only to find the ‘whiteness’ is a quickly passing phase.

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[johnbarry]

My last painted doors have gone the same, I did purchase Leyland Trade oil based (recently) Brilliant white, however as it was for coving and dado (amongst others) it was a little runny when reaching up to the coving, so I purchased Johnstone’s brilliant white that seemed to dry patchy (but the coving hasn’t been painted for 6 years) I then purchased Dulux, I am now waiting 3 months for it to go off colour (as you say)

Maybe try leyland trade (although I never got to try the non drip) I am stuck with Dulux non drip and I am pleased with the finish, maybe not in 3 months time.

You couldn’t beat years ago paint it would still be white today, but I no longer live in the property to check.

Cheers
John

[JayCeeDee]

I’ve given up on gloss paint for that very reason. I now use Dulux Diamond Satinwood Brilliant White. It’s been excellent here durability wise ( and I’ve used it in our rentals ) and also on the non-yellowing.

There’s an interesting post HERE which cites the EU banning additives as a cause – an easy jibe, but I have to admit my head was going there already, before I read that.

It’s a shame BigDaddy doesn’t visit any more – ( he said that health was becoming an issue on his posts ) – he was in the paint industry for most of his life, closest to an expert on the MM Forum.

[Richard]

I don’t think that idea that the ‘ban’ was an EU conspiracy case that should be nailed to anyone’s door. The volatile organic components of paint were banned a while go, perhaps 6~10 years back now, but that was almost certainly in everyone’s  interests. After that many paints were reformulated some more or less well and for a short while all appeared OK, that did not last when many showed colour shifts as the varnish part aged very rapidly. For a little while some other own goals were scored when an additive to stop fungus was also left out of, was it Valspar?. This resulted in a rotting cat pee aroma three months after places had been painted. Not what many people wanted.

We have also used the Satinwood Brilliant White style paints for recent jobs and they appear more stable, at least for the past 18 months ~ two years since the woodwork was painted. Various makes exist and to be honest all have performed equally well from a colour stability point of view.  As far as I have seen there have not been any problems with emulsion paints for walls or ceilings – though one part used can had to be discarded as it was growing a distinct crop of interesting fungus when opened up to do some touch in work.

[dwynnehugh]

Thank you one and all, I was aware of the removal of certain ‘nasties’ which later allowed the paint to fade – apparently a EU/HSA action I believe.

Satinwood it might have to be then!

 

Thanks,  Dave

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[blacklion1725]

+ 1 for Satinwood – great on rads too.

[tadka]

I painted my entire flat about 2 years ago, white gloss all skirting boards, window cills, architraves and doors. Still white today. But I no longer have the tin and I can’t remember what paint it was… It’s a small private decorators supplies store that doesn’t even have a website so can’t even check what paints they stock.

[Bob Williams]

Had my entire bungalow repainted in 2015, whilst on a Rhine/Danube cruise, by a local guy whose company mainly carries out commercial work. He lives in a big beautiful house about 500 yards up the road, complete with a microlight aircraft and landing strip, in the middle of an estimated 25 acres of land: horses, sheep and a couple of retired donkeys. A very wealthy man, but pleasant and easy to talk to. First met him when I was taking my daily stroll of about 2 miles with SWMBO, a good conversation which got better when he mentioned being ex-RAF and I mentioned being ex-AAC. I said that I was looking for a decorator and did not expect him to offer, thought he was just commercial. He generously offered and did a cracking job: walls are something like a bright colour between Magnolia and café au lait, with chimney breast a light coffee shade. All doors and woodwork are white: he recommended Silk Matt and that has withstood 3 years of sun, which streams in through our south-facing windows all day. For the whole bungalow, it was not expensive, especially as we had just had GCH fitted and the huge, ancient electric heaters removed. This left areas which required plastering, matching areas of missing wall paper and repaint with more coats than the unmarked walls. There is no visible sign of the old marks. I think some of the paint is Johnstone’s Trade.

I don’t know what the paint is, will have to visit the shed tomorrow as he left us a generous amount of all 3 paints. Earlier this year I fitted a long Ikea shelf to the chimney breast, removing the Currys-installed TV wall mount. I had to get the paint out, fill and smooth holes, repaint. It covered very well and there is no trace of the refill and repaint. Made sure the tin was scraped clean of paint around the closing ridges, sealed the lid down tight. that may be why your emulsion decided to evolve into some other life form, Richard: easy to miss the tin not being airtight sealed.

Bonus: takes me or SWMBO up in his microlight occasionally. Rings me: “Hey Bob, want to drop stuff on a neighbour’s garden?” A super guy with a lovely family.

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[Ed P]

Titanium Dioxide used to be the go-to to keep things white and was used in just about everything from nylon shirts through white paint etc. It worked by absorbing the UV part of sunlight which was the main cause of white things going yellow.

There was a bit of a health scare over the compound a few years ago link, and I’m not sure if the Nanny State has banned it since then. If so getting a good stable white may have become a lot harder!

[Richard]

To be fair the tine was more air than pain by the time it was put away, it had not shown any sign of skinning over, except for the skin of mould, so out it went. It is a problem with tins kept for years and only used for odd touch ins. Another tin is down to the last half inch or so in the bottom of a large 5 litre container, that does need a small amount of water to loosen it up, it has been used once for the full use of wall painting, but probably 15 times for the odd touch in job during the past quarter century.

Ed P wrote:

Titanium Dioxide used to be the go-to to keep things white and was used in just about everything from nylon shirts through white paint etc. It worked by absorbing the UV part of sunlight which was the main cause of white things going yellow. There was a bit of a health scare over the compound a few years ago link, and I’m not sure if the Nanny State has banned it since then. If so getting a good stable white may have become a lot harder!

As far as I can see it is still just as widely used in paints and many other products including cosmetics. Like many other substances used in cosmetics its application there has good and less good aspects. As far as I could see the concerns were expressed about its airborne particle ingestion to the lungs where there is very limited evidence of its effect but it was in the ‘might’ pile. The dust levels at which it appeared to be likely to be an elevated risk were said to have caused most wise animals to leave the space, rapidly before high levels were reached. Dust in all its forms is poorly understood as a risk factor. Limits should be set and masks or other protection should be worn. Almost every form of dust carries risks, many of them down to the risk of fire or explosion. A combine and a number of acres of growing area were caught up in such an event yesterday. I saw just how dusty harvesting can be this year when taking a relative for hospital test. The combine had raised a dust storm that blanketed a wide area with a mixture of fine particle dust and heavier particle short length straw the dust air mixture probably fell slightly short of an explosive mixture when it reached the road, but made visibility close to zero and might have loved to find a spark with which to play.

There has also been concern expressed that anti pollution paints might not be the sin free answer some had hoped because the titanium dioxide might also trigger other reactions that both age the paints and give rise to the production of other pollutants. The binders and varnishes to be used in paints clearly needed more care than some elements had allowed.

[Bob Williams]

You are right about grain dust Richard: in the States and Canada there are huge grain silos storing thousands of tons of grain and there have been explosions over time, until the relevant US & Canadian authorities passed legislation treating the sites as explosive  hazards.

One of the good measures brought in by Health and Safety, has been the banning of certain materials such as asbestos, in vehicle brake pads and shoes. I feel aggrieved that this was not spotted tens of decades ago, before grease monkeys such as myself used to use scrapers and emery paper to clean up discs, pads, brake drums and shoes. Then cheerfully blow out the dust all over ourselves, wearing no masks. We also used trichloroethylene  to degrease and clean the oily bits we worked with. It did a fantastic job of cleaning parts and nothing else has ever come close. Now it is banned as a carcinogen.  I also used stuff as an AAC technician which was later banned. As a kid, my dad and I shared a favourite breakfast of 2 fried eggs, bacon, sausage and cheese, all fried in lard and rolled into a Staffordshire Oatcake, which was actually the healthiest part of the meal. How did I ever get to 73?

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[Richard]

I know the feeling, used to chew asbestos string to make it good for an early form of Rawlplug, bung the wet thing in the hole and ram it tight, wait a few minutes and be good to go ahead. I did much the same as you with with brakes, though not commercially and used the likes or perchloroethylene and trichloroethylene and so on in various situations. Pipetting up cyanide solution was not a great idea in retrospect. I caused a mechanic to have kittens more recently when I put my hand over an exhaust to confirm it was sound and not leaking and so on. Most of that breakfast is coming back into fashion once more, except perhaps for the preservative in the sausage.

[Bob Williams]

No preservatives in proper Lincolnshire sausage Richard! The “hand over exhaust” is a very old trick. I ‘silenced’* a customer with it once. He was a crabby and miserable git who had a complete new exhaust fitted and complained about the price, then brought it back saying it was leaking. Put it up on the ramp, had him stand underneath (OOOH, Elfin Safety!) and covered the tailpipe with a rag. No leak. Eventually found that what he thought was a leak, was a rattle from his golf clubs in the boot, not in a bag, just lying on the boot floor.

I had only very few Muppets like that, which is why I remember him. Saints preserve me from becoming an Old Git like that.

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[Jukebox]

I’ve used Crown Solo for about 5 years and haven’t noticed any discolouration.

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