Trump Inaugeration

[The Duke]

Wow I didn’t know that show was still running. I stopped watching about mid way through series 3 iirc (maybe 2), not sure why as I know I enjoyed series one.

I stopped watching the serises where he was hooked on heroin stich in an under building somewhere east . He got back to the US and was off the drug , that was S2 or 3. I may pick it back up.

[Spedley]

I stand by my ‘sandbox’ statement.  Trumps aids told him “Yes Mr President, you have the biggest crowds” but their sandbox didn’t expect him to broadcast it in a childish manner.  Soon they will edit his broadcasts before they go public and tell him “Yes Mr President, they all saw your broadcast and agree with you”.  Then the sandbox will be complete.

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[Dave Rice]

Not a chance. He has his own press team and twitter account.

[JayCeeDee]

His Tweets seem to form part of the news these days, so he’d be highly likely to see an “amended” version and recognise it as not one of his!! He might then go all “Apprentice” and start firing his team!! Don’t think they’ll risk it!!

[The VFM Addict]

Isn’t that the BIG danger with Trump.    Even his close team will be effectively under extreme pressure to be ‘Yes men’ because they all know that he doesn’t handle criticism very well.

A close team walking constantly on egg shells negates the safety net and moderation that such teams provide to balance a president.

To say I’m worried about Trump doing something very dangerously stupid is an understatement.

 

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[The Duke]

It doesn’t matter if he does something stupid. As if the last administration had its way we’d already be in a war we can’t win with russia. Find each and everyday as a blessing, but keep your family close as it won’t be long before it all goes TU. the way the world’s been heading, if it isn’t  trump, some others nutcase will start a confilict of doom.

We have had it easiy the last 20 years, or more, think of this as our ‘boer war’ period, you know fighting defenceless men with sticks, our world war phase is just around the corner.

There is so much politicsl upheavel, religious and race  hate around ATM , it’s not going to take much to kick it off. Especially when the men pulling the strings for profit have no conscience .

[Bob Williams]

Steve I would have said a few weeks ago that your last was a pessimistic view, but I can’t say that today. The two most powerful world leaders, Trump and Putin, are clearly unpredictable, immune to criticism and totally convinced in their own invulnerable right to choose the course that their people should take. I am convinced that both of them have found in each other the same megalomania. The problems are really going to begin when China wakes up to the fact that the USA and Russia are going to oppose them together.

I think the world is much more dangerous now than say, a month ago.

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[The Duke]

I’m not so sure bob, I think short term we are in a better places , up untill the ceremony the previous ragime was srill goading Russia, at least for now we have a lul in that.  the future is unknown for now, however the future was nailed on under Hillary.

Now what the side effects are coming closer to Russia I don’t know, it may be great, or it may blow up in a very nasty devorce , if it doesn’t  as you say, china won’t be best pleased.

But for me atleast we missed a big bullet them not choosing Clinton. I don’t care what policies he has for America, that’s their business, I actually like a leader saying “our country first ” but I mainly wanted him to win, as Hillary was matching us into a war with Russia, and being on their door step that trully scared me.

I don’t think  problems will come form Russia or China now. If trump does a deal with Russia to sort sryia out and not demand a pipeline for Saudi into EU , I can see the Saudi going all out on the terror side of things. After all it was Saudi nationals that done 9/11. That is no secret now, but no one ever explained why we chouse Afghan, when it was obviously OPEC land that we [nato] should of been visiting, not terrorising a load of opium growers.

Problem is Saudi are to rich and powerful to invade. America has to much to loose.

Tangent lol.

But one thing is for sure, it’s going to be an intestinal few years. I am sick to death of American democrat left wing new, for progressives, they sent half nasty people.

Did you real yesterday that the lovely George Soros, the destroyer of the Sterling and the yen, the jew that repo’d Jews belongings in the 30s and the main financial  backer of Hillary, is connected to over 50 organisations that was organising the women’s rights marches around the globe. Rediculous, he is playing this women like Stromboli. He doesn’t care about women’s rights, he cares for nothing .

[Bob Williams]

Steve I read that about Soros, I also read his previous a few days ago concerning Brexit, in which he said it was the worst thing for UK banking and investments. Translation of that is that: – it is the worst thing for George Soros. The bloke has more money than he knows what to do with and cannot believe it does not give him the power to affect the decisions of world leaders. Have you seen the latest pictures of him?    https://tinyurl.com/hhc5xw4

Looks like his money has done nothing for his state of mind or his personality. All the charisma of a stuffed toad. “As a student at the London School of Economics…” Well, we know what a hotbed of lefty and anarchist protest movements that is – how did that produce a Super-Capitalist? Take a look at this:

https://tinyurl.com/zcgpdcn

Or how about this:     https://tinyurl.com/j3792uh

The only interest of George Soros, is George Soros. Someone should tell him that he really cannot take it with him, and it isn’t too long before he may have to discover that for himself. His funeral procession will either be on Wall Street or Tel Aviv.

The US election finally convinced me that the American voter is completely divorced from reality, and so are both political parties. How can a powerful nation of 320 million people, be given a straight choice between a ratbrained female warmonger, and a man whose elevator does not reach the upper floors? How can the Democrats and Republicans decide upon such choices?

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[The Duke]

The republicans are about mental anyhow, so I can see how trump got there. They maybe the conservative party, but they have a very diffent take on conservativism

As with Clinton, it amazes me that family workex their way to the top. They are ment to left wing liberals, and in reality they [the supporters]are that far left or liberal left, and Clinton’s is what we would see as conservative, like Thatcher conservative, I just can’t see how she got the big seat. Well I can, and it has to do with fear within the party.

The majoeitg main stream media in the us are so liberal it’s hurts. Now I’m a socialist at heart, that like a spinkle of capalism , but this “progressive left” nonsonses makes me sick.

The real crook of it is, they see themselves the the progressive peoplie whare everyone has rights and opinions, and everyone should be heard. Fine so far, bit of falls apart when you don’t agree with them, they are the most bitter lot going.

It’s ironic the democratic party supporters are demonsting and rioting , (alot of riots Soros has been linked to bussing people in), the irony hurts.

Did you see the lovely liberal grandma kick of the plane of verbally attacking a perfectly well mannered boy because he went to Washington not to protest. Then demanded respect of the fight atendent. I’ll post a link in a moment.

 

This is why trump won, self-righteous }wow like her

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/23/unhinged-woman-goes-off-on-trump-supporter-on-airplane-cabin-cheers-what-happens-to-her/

 

[Ed P]

” That is no secret now, but no one ever explained why we chouse Afghan, when it was obviously OPEC land that we [nato] should of been visiting,”

Steve there are two easy answers to the question you pose. Money and Oil.  The US is in hock up to their eyebrows and the Saudis own most of that debt. link,  (p.s. do not tell Trump!). The second reason is oil. At that time, fracking was an unknown, and the US had huge oil and product imports with Saudi Arabia having the bulk of the worlds known reserves. On that front at least, fracking has enabled the US to become a net energy exporter. I’m not so sure about the debt position as the Saudis were reported to be selling off some of this debt.

Geopoloitics and the relationship with the Saudis is why we went for Afghanistan – in addition to actually carrying out 9/11 the terrorist base in Afghanistan were also carrying out small scale bombings in Saudi Arabia aimed at the corrupt Royal Family, despite being funded by Salafist Wahhabi extremists in that same country. Far too complex to explain to the public in an easy sound-bite imo – Afghanistan was easier to explain, and Bush probably did not really know what was going on.

[Ed P]

I was slightly wrong in my last post about US energy exports:

” The latest edition of the US Energy Information Administration (EIA)’s Annual Energy Outlook (AEO2017) sees the US become a net energy exporter in most scenarios by 2030, and in some by 2020, due to falling liquid petroleum imports and an increase in US natural gas exports.”

The EIA report does not comprehend any Trump impacts.

[Ed P]

Only allowed one edit so I was unable to add the link to the actual EIA report.

[The Duke]

I get why they didn’t go to Saudi. The mystery to me is why Afghan. Medial opium maybe? It’s not like we accomplished a single thing there.

The higharchy was never there,they was in Saudi, and Pakistan. Nether is a secret, but both nations have actual power. It’s always baffeled me why Afghan. I can only agime it’s rather big pharma wanted access to opium at levels they wasn’t allowed to grow stateside or , and more likely, a proxy war for Saudi , for reasons unknown to use ATM.

All Afghan did along with Iraq is cause more hatred towards the west, and cause greatest instability and a vacume for terrorists to thrive and recruit.

All thought the Afghan campaign, I cringed every time they called the Taliban terrorists , we was never asked there, we imviaded them, we was the actual terrorist, by the true definition. We was only ligtamised as being there on behalf of the Afghan government once we installed our puppet.

I’m not defending the Taliban, I wouldn’t want my daughter to marry one, but I trully believe if we wouldn’t of gone on our fake revenge adventure, and killed 100s of thousands of civilians, (there and Iraq ) the Taliban would of just continue to plod along as this small whako movement. Instead we added huge amounts of fuel to the fire, and game non radical Muslims a reason to fight us.

Not to mention we lost the Iraq war badly, it’s not spoke about much, but when the last British bases left the COs had to broker deals with the cities mayor’s to allow us to leave. We fled Iraq and left it to the Taliban, now Isis.

We then then went back there to recruit the mercenaries to for the Syrian freedom fighters, remember them, the ones we fast publicly funding , arming and giving the training , both us and America, to topple Assad, (even though 18moths prior Assad was doing tours of the US and EU as guests) , untill Russia internationally put America and Obama in his place, when the beeb and us media was trying to say Russia was warmongering, giving Assad Tanks and Helos, Putin turned round and pointed out He actually had the law on his side, and it was NATO that was acting illegally.

We then silently distance ourselves from the ‘freedom fighters’ publicly and rebranded them Isis.

Basically we was out manovered by Putin, and lost control of our proxy Army.

This whole mess in Syria is about oil and gas pipes, and is the outcome of 20 years of horrific foreign policy regarding the middle East. And after all the mess we have made, we get out manovered by Russia at the last hurdle.

We are a joke. I’m no Putin fan, hold no grudge against Russia, they are just doing  what they think is in there national intrest just as we have been doing. It’s just at this moment, they seem to be doing a better job at it. I suppose that is the benifites of being a dictator, you can think and plan long-term.

[Ed P]

When you think Taliban, do not think in ‘artificial’ country terms, think instead in tribal terms that cross borders, The Pashtun tribe crosses Pakistan and Afghanistan and Iran. Thanks to the stupidity of the CIA, they made a deal with the devil (the Taliban+Pakistan Intelligence Agencies+Pakistan Military) in orderto fight the Russians. We were also involved in terms of SAS etc involvement. Bin Ladin hid out with the Pashtun which is akin to hiding out in both countries. It was politically unacceptable to make war on Pakistan so Afghanistan became the fall-guy.

Unfortunately both the US and UK Foreign Offices are unable to think/work at the tribal level which is why the Middle East is such a mess, and a situation not helped by the CIA’s proclivity to act as a rogue state in its own right. Most of the problems of the 20th/21st century in the Balkans/Middle East and Africa have been due to ill-advised CIA meddling.

[Richard]

While my dislike for conspiracy theories is clear, they are not not needed. As Ed said boundaries in that area are irrelevant, tribal loyalty is never understood by outsiders and neither is the web of external observers. The societies are unstable but built like the proverbial onion in layers. They tend to be kept in check by internal forces pulling in different but in the end mutually supporting directions. We went in years back and found out that the area cannot be ruled by anywhere except by internally mutually balancing forces. Several others have tried and each has come away failing. The previous failures were the Russians who poured huge effort into loosing yet still ‘our’ bozos thought they knew better. Yes the Pakistanis dues to their layered onion pay lip service to a range of external faces but they are driven by layer upon layer of local issues and custom – or in blunt language bribes of many sorts tribal family district and a range of other issues and history motivate them and they have memories that go back hundreds if not thousands of years counting and discounting their record books. Not for nothing was the Saudi wart found living in Pakistan and not for nothing was Pakistan unhappy when he was dispatched, he very likely funded parts of the local set up anyway.

I saw the accidental effects of these loyalties played out. The government out there ordered some new equipment, one look at the figures and almost anyone who knew anything about the product would know the figures were wrong and I said so to the supplier. So it turned out to be, while one unit of product went to the government books 15 or 20 went to other activities the equipment buckled under the strain.

The ‘conspiracy’ is pain old stupidity as yes Mr Waterboarding President will soon find out. No doubt there will be more misadventuring by the crew cut brigade. I met some in the moderately distant past and, sad to say I enjoyed winding them up from a semi official role at the time. There ill thought out start steps only plan failed again and again. The first Gulf war was stopped too soon with no proper end game in sight and no process to back it up. The second managed to repeat the previous errors but place the errors on growth hormone and steroids.

It is an enormous shame that the skills once understood and deployed in more historical times have been totally lost, ED is right you need to think tribal and this is starting to apply to parts of this country now that their tribal issues are being imported from different  states where things we no longer relate to are still part of the daily round. So study the stupid Post Code Gangs or the ethnic minorities that run different districts to the disadvantage of everyone else. Blood is far thicker than water which is why ballot stuffing is not so much tolerated as expected as a duty in many such communities.

Sadly conspiracy theory builders have invested more time, thought and effort into their theories than those creating and (mis)managing the mayhem ever did. That is the real issue.

[Bob Williams]

I would agree with most of what you say Richard, and Ed. However, in stating the past mistakes of both America and the UK, we have to go back farther to examine the one initial step that cost control of the Gulf and with it, control and policing of the whole area. When the US played the ‘No More Colonising’ card and forced us out of Aden, the West lost a valuable asset which could have prevented the present mess, or at least given time for thought to a more long term solution. The UK government at the time were happy to give up Aden of course, but even Defence and Foreign Office warnings about future Soviet involvement fell on deaf ears. Sure enough, the Russians moved in, but all they wanted was a refueling station for their fleet, with no Hearts and Minds involved.

I left with (I believe) 45 Commando on HMS Bulwark. We watched as the demolition explosives left behind, burned up millions of pounds in munitions, POL, foodstuffs, clothing, machinery and vehicles. The cloud of thick smoke rose into the air for thousands of feet, it could be seen for miles. In that cloud were the remains of many local inhabitants, would-be looters who are probably still looking for the 27 virgins they were promised.

I also agree with Steve: if we had never gone blindly into the cockpit that is Iraq and Afghanistan, there would not be the mess there is today and we would not have the number of terrorists from so many different sources of discontent, that we have today. The UK and US have shot themselves in both feet.

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[Richard]

Bob Williams wrote:

I would agree with most of what you say Richard, and Ed. However, in stating the past mistakes of both America and the UK, we have to go back farther to examine the one initial step that cost control of the Gulf and with it, control and policing of the whole area. When the US played the ‘No More Colonising’ card and forced us out of Aden, the West lost a valuable asset which could have prevented the present mess, or at least given time for thought to a more long term solution. The UK government at the time were happy to give up Aden of course, but even Defence and Foreign Office warnings about future Soviet involvement fell on deaf ears. Sure enough, the Russians moved in, but all they wanted was a refueling station for their fleet, with no Hearts and Minds involved. I left with (I believe) 45 Commando on HMS Bulwark. We watched as the demolition explosives left behind, burned up millions of pounds in munitions, POL, foodstuffs, clothing, machinery and vehicles. The cloud of thick smoke rose into the air for thousands of feet, it could be seen for miles. In that cloud were the remains of many local inhabitants, would-be looters who are probably still looking for the 27 virgins they were promised. I also agree with Steve: if we had never gone blindly into the cockpit that is Iraq and Afghanistan, there would not be the mess there is today and we would not have the number of terrorists from so many different sources of discontent, that we have today. The UK and US have shot themselves in both feet.

My wife was one of the last civilians to be evacuated when we pulled out of Aden, by then it was a messy place but I suspect that the life for everyone was better than it became afterwards with shipping bypassing the port and all the casual trade not to mention the embedded trade lost. I doubt that much if anything of her time there is left now. I will not be looking for a ‘street view’ comparison anytime soon.

[JayCeeDee]

Chatting with the wife over breakfast this morning we were talking about his first week and how, in stark contrast to all other politicians, he has hit the ground not just running, but true to his word, his manifesto and his election promises.
Has he set the bar for incoming politicians/parties to stay true and not water down what got them elected?? I hope so!!

Also, in light of the above, do you think Hilary is checking out some properties in countries that don’t have extradition??!! Is she sh*tting bricks atm??

Today’s meeting with our PM will be interesting as it’s him and not one of his appointees that will be doing the talking – mainly because he doesn’t have one for trade yet, plus a lot of others have just either gone, or been shown the door!! It will also be interesting as to whether he will take the opportunity to have a dig at Merkel/Brussels and bolster our negotiating position for Brexit.

Interesting times indeed.

[Richard]

Or will it be act in haste and repent at leisure or when he hits

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