Trump Inaugeration

[The VFM Addict]

Ed P wrote:

“… anyone with a pair of eyes can see the truth.” Unfortunately that is not necessarily true in this day and age. Even putting aside Photoshop and far more sophisticated video/photo manipulation programs, there are simple ways of putting up two photos to make the point you raise. Simply having the Trump shot before everyone was there and the Obama shot at the oath taking would be a very easy manipulation to perform. I don’t think the Beeb had a live camera on the Monument during the oath taking period, but if they did, that would be very difficult for anyone to dispute.

Have to say I would agree if it were just the Beeb or just media in general.
However, it seems that usage of the Washington public transport systems seems to concur that attendance was down.  What worries me is that Trump’s press secretary claimed figures that the system itself disputes.  In addition the preliminary Neilsen figures for television viewing also show that viewing of Trumps Inaug was lower than Obama’s first in 2009.  So I am inclined to believe that in the main Trump’s inaug was less supported.

That said its purely an academic argument as Trump will take no notice of it anyway or of yesterday’s protests.   I don’t see him moderating his positions, indeed my guess is that he will simply harden them as most narcissists do in such a situation.  Fasten your seat belts we are in for a very rough ride.  The big question is what we the UK will do once Donald starts reaching for his gun as he is certain to do at some point on some issue because he is by instinct confrontational when challenged on an issue – just look at his past tweets.

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[Richard]

Ed P wrote:

“… anyone with a pair of eyes can see the truth.” Unfortunately that is not necessarily true in this day and age. Even putting aside Photoshop and far more sophisticated video/photo manipulation programs, there are simple ways of putting up two photos to make the point you raise. Simply having the Trump shot before everyone was there and the Obama shot at the oath taking would be a very easy manipulation to perform. I don’t think the Beeb had a live camera on the Monument during the oath taking period, but if they did, that would be very difficult for anyone to dispute.

While that is true and I guess that the statistics from the transit system only reflect that more people prefer to walk than use the transit system. However, there does come a point where you might just start to wonder. Even if it just at the play ground chanting nature of things.

I wonder how Trump Neglect will impact the workers of America once that really starts to bite.

Or will we even hear?

[The Duke]

The americam media Dave are lying about the numbers, on main stream us news anchor tweeted a picture staying 2009 turbo it an today. I’m not disputing the  numbers was greater in 09 but they was alot closer than the media are making out.

They are using photographs of about 3 hours before trump’s to highlight how empty it was. Total media bs.

Reminded me of about 3 days before the election, there was a news footage of a Hillery rally in a town hall, I think jay z and beyance one, (I may be wrong on that tho) it was made out to be really full , but some one later uploaded a widangle pic from the rear of the room, it was empty, just a couple of hundred turned out. Trump was filling football stadiums, with out uber A list celebs.

There was neumours times hillerys rallys had used this method, along with a could of (going ) youtubers that called the results almost bang on , ;acting up there reading why each state would go which way, and they was spot on,(I uploaded one of the videos after the election ) I belived he was going to win.

He may be dangerous, but I doubt he is as dangerous as the which he beat, and even if he is, he will be dangerous, no just trying to further himself and the stats of suadi Arabia .

Short term I’d rather be brokering friendship with Russia. Hillary would of been at war with them ;score she sat down to eat that meal they had aster the ceremony. Christ the Obama administration was doing all it could to antagonis Russia up untill he left office.

Obama turned out to be dangerous, the man that was ment to bring the people together, actually screwed the poor, alianted the colours, doubled the us debt, that took 200years to build in 8 years , and divided a nation putting it back decades.

Yet still trump gets the blames and half the contry want obama to stay. An my kids teacher has been filling my 8 yo head with liberal shit , saying trump is a nasty man and Obama should stay! I have already complained to the school.

Its not so much I like or dislike trump, it’s hard to have any feeing for advance realestate developers, that make billions off the back of screwing the small guy. But wasn’t I hate more is the obvious media assassination and manipulation of people. They do the same with putin, the flip flopping with Assad is comical, so being British I always seem to fall down and root for the underdog, not cos I believe them right or wrong, but because I don’t like being manipulated, and I think think more people should do the same.

I don’t mind politicians lying to me. Sadly I’ve accepted that’s their job, but once the media get at it, is when I get annoyed. And the democrat liberal media in the US is shocking to read, it like reading imore.

The BBC is also annoying the crap out of me, it’s cheap headline and cheap jokes.

/Rant.

My opinion is we dodge a figgin large B̶u̶l̶l̶e̶t̶ nuke , with the US voting in trump. The rest of his policies I don’t care about, not being American.

[Richard]

Steve, I think you have been subject to gaslighting.

Of course Trumps brilliant workers might not have caught up with digital cameras and might still think that they need to have the film developed and will have their images of mega crowds sometime soon.

Then of course all those walker bypassed the transit system and not bought tickets and so on and so forth.

Of course his ego polishers got one thing right that is the use of plastic sheeting to protect the grass is a recent thing, however it started in 2013

Your dislike of female leaders and would be leaders is well established so does not need repetition -t came from the gaslighter in chief anyway.

If Trump is so brilliant why does he need gaslighters and ego polishers to make him look better, his brilliant ways will win over everyone, or will they?

I guess his brilliance contributed to his bankruptcies which brilliantly avoided any payouts USA to his workers, but a profit for him.

Perhaps in the the real world his helpers are not quite so confident so feel he needs ever little bit of help they can give him?

[Dave Rice]

Steve, it wasn’t so much that he disputed the figures with only totally subjective evidence of his own  – it looked like a million and a half to me, how the hell does he know what a million and a half looks like?

It’s how it was done and especially by the press secretary. It’s clear that bullying of any opposition is going to be the order of the day.

Have you notice how many do a Cameron these days? Say your piece then walk off so you can’t be challenged.

[The Duke]

I’m sorry Richard , what do you mean by “your dislike of female leaders is well documented and didn’t need repeating ”
Back that up of stfu , as I have no issue with female leader full stop. I have never even alluded to such a view.  I will not take lies spoke about me.
Also definitely.e gaslighting pealse, so I understand whatever insult your trying to infer.
Also please refrain from personal attacks, just because you disagree on a person’s point of ciew. A healthy debate is fine, personal attacks not so.
Also sky had eye on the audience through the precedings. So it was easy to see the diffence in the amount of people at the time of the ceremony and that this pic was a few hours before. We had it on all day on the romu sky news app.

[Ed P]

Lying media are a fairly common institution, even the UK media are guilty. Putting aside Hillsborough (as I have no personal experience), they blatantly Blaired the numbers at the Anti-Iraq war demo. I marched in that protest and can attest that there were actually more (in terms of filling the Mall plus an overflow) than there were at the Queen Mother’s funeral. Papers now say the numbers were 2+million rather than the hundreds of thousands that were Blaired at the time. (Incidentally I protested, not because I’m anti-war, just that I believed the second Gulf War was a b-stupid ill-thought venture backed by the flimsiest of evidence that would remove focus from Afghanistan – exactly as events proved).

[The VFM Addict]

WOW………..it just shows how divisive Trump is that he’s even got us fighting among ourselves all the way  over here.. :wacko:

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[Malcolm]

If you think you’re witnessing in fighting just wait until Article 50 gets near to be triggered.

Thankfully the supreme court can’t overturn the vote, but they’ll do their best to block it.

Hopefully once Article 50 gets triggered there will be a pulling together, unless of course the BEEB actually does want to lose it’s licence fee. :whistle:

[The Duke]

I didn’t realise we was fighting untill Richard attacked me. I thought we was having a conversation about how the media pushed it’s own personal agenda.

I don’t think trump is a great candidate. There is probable 200m better suited out their, but he was the best suited out of the choice the people was given. But as the Clinton’s (or Soros) basically runs the media , add to that the media and Hollywood are very liberal they was always going to be democrat leaning.

What always amazed me was, hillery is brobaly more conservative than Donald trump is. He said some stupid things, but he was singing to his middle American choir, his actual past stances on alot of his “positions ” was far Mair liberal in the past.

I think the only one that does conserve me is his stance on abortion, as he does mean what he says there.

Hillary on the other hand down 30 years of her poiticsl career demonising gays and gay marriage, only to do a you turn about 5 years ago and then deny she was anything but for gay rights.

And the women’s lib crap she spoutes is rediculous, where where was this sense of empowering women when she sucseffully defended a child rapist ? One that about ten years after was recorded laughing that she knew he was guilty. Look it up, if you haven’t heard of it.

Also where are we having marched in random with America for women? Out leader is a women, and the most powerful women in Europe is also female. We have sorted out shit out 40 years ago. The match in London and Liverpool (and probably other places )are stupid.

Did anyone notice the Clinton Foundation closed it doors last week. The overseas donations have dried up since the election end. It just g{es to show it was nothing more than a vessel to funnel back handers and bribe . Think cash for honours.

Many conspiracists have theorised this for years, this is not going to make them go away . More fuel.

Anyone ever looked into the non tested and approved hiv drugs the Clinton Foundation was handing out in Africa. When the producer of the drugs was questions, he replied it’s just some black folk. Or words to that effect.

These are just some of the reasons, I couldn’t stomach the Clinton’s.

All the things I mention above , predate the server and it’s leaks by years.

[Richard]

I did not ‘attack you‘ I thought that you were a victim of gaslighting not a cause, but here is a definition of gaslighting; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Note I said subject to gaslighting not causing gaslighting, i.e. a victim of the behaviour.

You came across as very hostile to Hilary with an edginess that suggests something very personal, if this was not your intention it was not clear to me, should the writer or the reader be responsible for misunderstandings?

[The Duke]

The reader in this case, as you never said , you said you have said your dislike of hillery so doesn’t need repeating, which is accept with out argument .  you said, dislike for female leaders, which is totally different.

So in that case, I’d say you are correct, you need to be more clear im your meaning when you write Richard. But in reality , you have written to totally diffent things.  Accuse  me of some type of perdudice against women leaders, then back track and say , well you have personal grip with hillery.

Btw it’s not personal, oven very met her, and she has done nothing to me or anyone I know. It’s just plains to see, the women is a monster. In case you misinterpret that, if she was a man I’d say the same.

Like I said, stop with the personal attacks on people when you don’t agree with them. It’s very disrespectful. If you disagree with points being made by me, by all means pick them apart, it’s how we as humans move forward. Nothing new is learn by calling people names. The only out come is the name calling will escalate.

[Richard]

The Duke wrote:

The reader in this case, as you never said , you said you have said your dislike of hillery so doesn’t need repeating, which is accept with out argument . you said, dislike for female leaders, which is totally different. So in that case, I’d say you are correct, you need to be more clear im your meaning when you write Richard. But in reality , you have written to totally diffent things. Accuse me of some type of perdudice against women leaders, then back track and say , well you have personal grip with hillery. Btw it’s not personal, oven very met her, and she has done nothing to me or anyone I know. It’s just plains to see, the women is a monster. In case you misinterpret that, if she was a man I’d say the same. Like I said, stop with the personal attacks on people when you don’t agree with them. It’s very disrespectful. If you disagree with points being made by me, by all means pick them apart, it’s how we as humans move forward. Nothing new is learn by calling people names. The only out come is the name calling will escalate.

Sorry, but I do not accept that I personally attacked you, rather my aim was at those who work to support Trump by constantly lying and distorting, they are the gaslighters, Your visceral hate for Hillary is so dominant in much of what you wrote that it shades everything else. How much of the story colouring came from Trump’s henchmen?

I can only hope that tangerine man is not as bad as many expect him to be but his starting off lie about 1.5 million suggests that he doe snot have any sort of grip on reality. No wonder he is against abortion, he will need to replace those killed off by Trump-Neglect and he will need new bodies to fill the prisons.

[Robin Long]

Moderator Mode!

This thread was a discussion about Trumps Inauguration, it does, however, now contain points of interest that are the opinion of the writer and not necessarily statements of absolute fact.

There is no post by Steve say he dislikes all women leaders, however, there is an indication that he either does not like Hillary or the democrats. This is his opinion.  I do not believe that Richards comments were a direct attack on Steve, however when coupled with all the comments on this thread, it’s easy to see that Steve could believe it was a direct attack on him.

I’d ask you both to agree to disagree and move on with sensible posts about the subject and not continue the previous posts. :good:

 

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[Richard]

The VFM Addict wrote:

WOW………..it just shows how divisive Trump is that he’s even got us fighting among ourselves all the way over here..

Yes it is writ large, here if nowhere else. Tangerine man and the gas lighters and the mad Tzar have a love of news manipulation in common. Frankly I do not care about the numbers, from my own personal observation I watched and heard none of the tangerine man’s crap so extrapolating that figure no one else did either. Oh dear it is rather easy to come up with false news if you take a few false points and draw a wrong conclusion by ignoring relevance.

Like him, (some do) or loath him (some do) it will be interesting to see if he can bankrupt the USA and put people out of work as he did with some of his own companies.

Still I doubt that his Trump Towers will fall, I am told they were built with quality Chinese steel, rolled by Chinese labour, doing his bit for America? Or was it all another false trail.

[The Duke]

I think you mean can he take them  out of bankruptcy. I don’t think he can.

The creating of American jobs, isn’t as easy of opening the factories up, I think he is away with the fairies with that idea. Well I think he is mile away from being away with the fairies , but he was just saying what the poor parts of America wanted to hear.

If bill Clinton hadent signed NAFTA and sold thier industry down river, and Obama now divided decided the people so much, there wouldn’t of been this rich vs poor, and race division which trump could slide into.

The current administration is to blame for trump’s sucsession. Obama pommised to bring America together, but he actually divided, putting the contry back 40 years. Trump isn’t to blame for this, he just expoited it.

I do think his lack of political bagidge is his most intesting traight. Isn’t also what got him elected. The people decided, they would rather gamble on different than take another 4 years of the same crap.

Also America couldn’t afford , financially , to keep spending like the democrats have been. Which makes trump’s plans of job creation almost impossible. Have you seen their debt, and the speed it’s risen over the last 8 years! It needs to be stemmed fast.

Like our Tory party, the republicans will take the blame for the last administrations miss handling of the economy.

[Ed P]

“Yes it is writ large, here if nowhere else. Tangerine man and the gas lighters and the mad Tzar have a love of news manipulation in common.”

ALL politicians or wanna-be politicians do this in one form or another – take the case of the UK accidentally launching a Trident missile aimed at the US and ‘forgetting’ to give parliament all the data when they were reaching a decisions on Trident’s future.

The master dissembler and his spin doctors had press and news manipulation  down to an art-form and all done through dissembling, lies and half truths. The Brexit campaign had it all writ large, and Trump learned a lot from it.

[Richard]

The Duke wrote:

I think you mean can he take them out of bankruptcy. 

No Steve, in this case I understand he shut down and bankrupted several of his companies, he came out fine, the staff did not; surprisingly they were happy to talk and not be happy with the tangerine man.

[Richard]

Ed P wrote:

“Yes it is writ large, here if nowhere else. Tangerine man and the gas lighters and the mad Tzar have a love of news manipulation in common.” ALL politicians or wanna-be politicians do this in one form or another – take the case of the UK accidentally launching a Trident missile aimed at the US and ‘forgetting’ to give parliament all the data when they were reaching a decisions on Trident’s future. The master dissembler and his spin doctors had press and news manipulation down to an art-form and all done through dissembling, lies and half truths. The Brexit campaign had it all writ large, and Trump learned a lot from it.

Is there a connection? A test firing did not go to plan, not the first time a rocket malfunctioned, is that not what testing is about?

I was wanting to find the faults when I did factory tests. You expect things to fail, well we did; sadly we had a lot more test failures, (though not of rockets) than anyone expected but far fewer in service problems, which was what we did want.

Trumps PR gaslighters would have likely hailed it a tremendous success and that is the difference.

Anyone found the missing/invisible mall inauguration welcomers yet? I hope their families are not missing them, they might fear they were buried in an avalanche in Italy and panic.

Why is his PR so aggressively paranoid? It was what it was so they should move on and try to get something right if they can.

I guess you are referring to the mad idea of us being in was better than being out when you refer to the referendum lies and half truths, the only lie was that the EU leopard would ever change its spots for the better, it wont, it will only ever get worse as it has always done.

[JayCeeDee]

It seems some of the script-writers in America got things wrong as well as the pollsters.

I have just been watching last night’s episode of Homeland. They find themselves in the situation with a ” Madam President Elect”, waiting for a Jan 20th Inauguration!!  :scratch:  :yahoo:

Or maybe that was wishful thinking on their behalf. Or it made for some better plot lines – although the ones coming out of Washington at the moment, and possibly in the future, will likely lead to a WTF reaction. :wacko:

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