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January 21, 2017 at 11:59 am #2371
President Trump’s Inauguration Speech contains some major policy changes, but to me one of the biggest is his promise to ‘eradicate radical Islamic terrorism from the face of the earth’. I wonder if he really appreciates that he is declaring all-out war against many of the Sunni Salafist Arab countries with Saudi Arabia at the head of the list! In contrast to these countries, the dominantly Shia nations such as the US’s old Iranian enemy look positively benign.
We live in ‘interesting’ times indeed.
Beeb commentators were incensed about the ‘America first’ aspect of the speech, but in reality he was only quoting the mantra that can be seen in every US Embassy once you get beyond the visa issuing areas., and the marine guards. However, I guess the Beeb is right in that it would make diplomatic negotiations just that bit harder, a stated policy of ‘all take and no give’ does not make a good basis for negotiations.
Ars Technica has a good synopsis of most of the rest of the speech.
January 21, 2017 at 12:47 pm #2376The fact is that we are at war with Islam and have been since the USA and UK, along with others, decided to retaliate to 9/11 and 7/7 by creating wars which could not be “won” but which resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths. Until Trump, no Western politician has had the nerve (or stupidity) to smash the staus quo and admit it. Merkel cravenly admits almost a million Islamic immigrants into her country, whilst censuring Hungary and others for resisting the call to share them around Europe.
A situation created by American and British politicians has resulted in deaths and attacks throughout Europe and security measures which produces armed police and/or soldiers at airports throughout the world. If our country had been invaded, bombed and shelled by another, how would we react when the invaders left and our nation was left in a state of leaderless anarchy, with more deaths after the invasion than duringthe military actions? Islam in the Middle East is divided into factions which are drawing smaller nations into the orbit of the two wealthiest, most militarily powerful ones. Sooner or later, there will be open conflict between the Sauds and Iran. I say we should stay out of the area and defend our own borders, whilst dealing with the fanatics here at home.
Trump is not the problem, he is the one pointing out the problem. Unfortunately, his predecessors created it. Any solution he might present, is what really worries me.
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I'm out.January 21, 2017 at 12:55 pm #2379I think Trump will be sandboxed. Yes Mr President, we’ll do all that. It’s going great, should be done in about 5 years. Super (filed in 5 years of beurocracy)
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January 21, 2017 at 1:03 pm #2382I sent the whole day doing nothing , just watching it, the yanks can’t do pomp , a sea of tench coats and blue flashing lights and high on religion.
I thought though his speach was very positive all round except for the all out war on radical Islam, you can’t win a war against a ideology based on a religion, all an all out war will do is create more “radicals” and bring more attacks to America. The issue is a making of American and UK policy , if we just walked away, we would have the odd terror alert , bit they would just go away eventually. Give them the middle East and the oil
we should spend the money on neuclear reactors government owned. 100s of superfast charging stations, like Tesla do, and drive electric cars. We should put Britain first, and short term buy oil from Russia, and OPEC , but start building a fossil free UK .
I’d love to know how trim wants to open up all his industry, start employing Americans first and buy American first, he has two options as far as I can see, huge import taxes, or decapitation of the dollar but 3/4 , I can’t see the elete likeomg either, especially the latter.
January 21, 2017 at 1:07 pm #2383Firstly I don’t agree with the statement that we are at war with Islam, we are at war with terrorists who have usurped Islam.
When we were fighting the IRA we were not at war with Roman Catholicism.
There are have been armed police at international airports for as long as I can remember.
Ditto openly armed police on the streets of any non UK city.
Yes there is now proper security at most airports, helped by the fact that a lot of it is now technically possible, and it’s long overdue.
Every generation there are the terrorist bogeymen to be dealt with – IRA, Baader Meinhof, Black September, the list goes on to the present day.
Once this lot have been dealt with the next lot are waiting around the corner.
There there’s solo nutters like Anders Behring Breivik.
Just one point about America, there were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870 and 64 of these were school shootings.
January 21, 2017 at 1:19 pm #2385Spedley
” … I think Trump will be sandboxed. Yes Mr President, we’ll do all that. It’s going great, should be done in about 5 years….”
You means there’s another Sir Humphrey somewhere in the US Administation?? 😥 😥 😥 😥
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January 21, 2017 at 1:35 pm #2386Trump is a seasoned negotiator.
All negotiations start with tub thumping on both sides.
Just look at the frankly ridiculous exchanges over brexit from some European tub thumpers. :scratch:
That includes the Brits as Europeans..
January 21, 2017 at 1:35 pm #2387I think Trump will be sandboxed. ……..
Would that be as in ” Send him to the Middle East and let them put him in a box!!??”
January 21, 2017 at 4:38 pm #2398No, as in the compuer terminology – make him think his has full control and then delete everything when he’s done.
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January 21, 2017 at 4:39 pm #2399Firstly I don’t agree with the statement that we are at war with Islam, we are at war with terrorists who have usurped Islam. When we were fighting the IRA we were not at war with Roman Catholicism. There are have been armed police at international airports for as long as I can remember. Ditto openly armed police on the streets of any non UK city. Yes there is now proper security at most airports, helped by the fact that a lot of it is now technically possible, and it’s long overdue. Every generation there are the terrorist bogeymen to be dealt with – IRA, Baader Meinhof, Black September, the list goes on to the present day. Once this lot have been dealt with the next lot are waiting around the corner. There there’s solo nutters like Anders Behring Breivik. Just one point about America, there were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870 and 64 of these were school shootings.
Yes I agree, the entire world is at war with the devil worshippers in whichever form they come. Islam is a handy coat hook for some nutters but that does not make them fit the mould. There are others who claim different alliances but they are just as deadly, Timothy McVey et all. Since September the 11th was in effect an act of war by state of (warped) minds it is arguable that the ‘state of war’, (if any) was created some seriously deviant minds.
It is noticeable that many if not all the current ‘soldiers’ are social misfits and sadly unstable characters, many addicted to drugs who are used the by the back-room bullet makers
January 21, 2017 at 5:57 pm #2403Trump called it what it is , Islam is fine, radical Islam is not.
He for the first time in years, has actutally uses the word Islam, but it is a positive thing as he is showing their is a diffence between normal Islamic Muslims , an radical extremists . The last administration was so scared of annoying the Islamic Muslims, they just never muttered the word Islam, but all that did was turn the low IQ half of America against all “rag haeds “.
Atleast least calling the Isis ghad, what they are, opens up the debate, that there is a diffence between the two.
This may seem like it makes no sense to you , as we know herw there is a diffence, but we as nerds, are usually on the higher side of the ideot moniter. There is many in our own country was downstairs see the diffence, between islamic Muslims and radical terrorists, that use Islam to pedal their hate.
January 21, 2017 at 6:06 pm #2404I understand that you believe I went too far by saying that we are at war with Islam, Dave. But I cannot agree with your statement regarding N.I. and being at war with Catholicism: neither the Pope, the Catholic church nor any priest* declared war upon the UK, of which of course Ulster is a part. I served there more than once and we squaddies never felt ourselves to be fighting a religion, nor any of its representatives. We knew within a very short time that the undeclared war was against terrorists on both sides who became gangsters, ruling their areas with an iron fist and controlling drug gangs to make money for their “Cause”. * Although I know of at least one priest who hid weapons for the PIRA, because my section found them in his church and were rewarded with a torrent of most unholy abuse from the Reverend Father himself. Wonder where, and to whom, he confessed? Incidentally, I was tasked with ordering my lads to keep silent about the location of the weapons, by Those Upstairs.
I have no personal animosity towards Islam: I have several Muslim friends in 3 different towns who actually share my POV in private and they keep me informed regarding the fanatical views held by people who attend their mosques. They also tell me that the fanaticism is spreading amongst the vulnerable young and it will only get worse. It terrifies them: they are middle aged or older, have families and dare not speak about any of this openly.
Yes, there are always people with a cause who want to kill or die for it, but the danger now is that the fanatics are spread throughout Europe and the rest of the world, including the UK. They have been told to stay hidden and act normally as citizens, until they are needed to act. That is why we have the incidents of terrorist attacks, followed by their hitherto unsuspecting family members and friends making statements to the effect that the perpetrators were decent people whom they would never have thought capable of such acts. In short, they can hide amongst millions of their fellows, they are embedded in our society (but do not want to share our values) and, despite the best efforts of our Security Services, they are organised and will only have to get lucky once. This is a ticking bomb. Trump recognises this, no matter what anyone thinks of him, he is right and all western politicians should realise that.
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I'm out.January 21, 2017 at 7:07 pm #2407Who kills more Americans than the rest put together, including all the world wars?
Other Americans, one of whom just did the deed with guns and ammo he’d flown with!
If that had been a flight from anywhereistan there would be jets taking off as we speak to bomb the crap out of them.
Ronnie Raygun 1986:
My fellow Americans: History is likely to record that 1986 was the year when the world, at long last, came to grips with the plague of terrorism.
This was when the Americans wouldn’t extradite Libyan terrorists to the UK.
Everyone’s been at this terrorism thing for a long time and as long as there are armed idiots with a grievance they always will be.
I don’t believe there is an answer just more precautions we have to take.
But Trump would do well to sort his own house first, that would slash the death rate.
January 21, 2017 at 10:09 pm #2418I HATE the way the media in general use the adjective ‘Islamic’ terrorists, they are by no means representative of Islam in general however by our craven and stupid use of the term we have succeeded in drawing all Muslims under the same umbrella. Salafist Wahhabi Sunnis are a tiny portion of the 3 billion Muslims we have managed to alienate.
We were craven in not labeling the real terrorists for fear of alienating the Saudi investors who have propped up Western economies for many years.
January 21, 2017 at 10:57 pm #2420Trump Bashing! Isn’t it fun?
I personally believe anyone can read into a speech and make of it what they want too. Those however who thought that even someone like Trump would write a speech that, without having proofread by diplomats and lawyers are fooling themselves. Whether you like it or not he is an astute businessman who in all likelihood will make America great again.
The key issue in this thread appears to be that he said in his speech “We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones, and unite the world against radical Islamic terrorism which we will eradicate from the face of the earth.”
He did not wage war against Islam, just as the British in Ireland did not wage war against Catholicism. He did, however, wage war on Terrorism. In fact Trump’s entire speech appears to revolve around America and Americans, lately, it seems that any UK politician talks about Europe and Europeans, just not Britain and the British.
Is he going to be sandboxed? I hope not the world right now needs him, not for what he may or may not do, but for what he will forces other US political party’s to do, what he will force other countries to do.
Yes, he has a past, yes it’s not that great. Everyone has a past and mine is not great either! However his past is mostly successful, you don’t get a business background like his overnight. he is now in a position to do what Obama did not want to and unite America.
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January 21, 2017 at 11:51 pm #2424I didn’t bash him, I echoed what you said, he said “radical islamists”. The prior administration would even use the word Islam in fear of offending the Muslim community. But all that achieved is making the general public believe all “ragheads ” are not to be trusted. Trump has actually defined there is a difference and if the media do it’s Jon properly and not twist his words, they should be starting a debate with the American people defining the diffences between the billions of law abiding Islam’s and the Radical islamist extremists , that use a twisted version of Islam to pedal hate.
In regards to his america first , I think that should be every politicians goal, lol no America, bit their own colours. I liked his speach, incert Britain (or any nation ) in to America, and it’s a great speach. It doesn’t mean cutting yourself off from the world, it just means. We won’t be getting screwed no more, if the deal isn’t right for the country, we won’t do it.
I liked it, Ive actually grown to like him, and if he is allowed to shake things up, I think it may be good for us all.
The thing I like the most is his inexperience I’m politics, he doesn’t have the 40 years, of owing other poltitions favours etc. And the best thing about him is he going to give the American people something diffent, from the same model of the road politics they have had for 20 years.
We could actually do with someone in charge that isn’t a company man. Or women in our case.
My daughter asked if I could run for president as she likes the white house, I explained we would have to live in downing Street, showed her that, and she said don’t bother. So I dodged the bullet there.
January 22, 2017 at 7:53 am #2429Duke you asked how he could change employment prospects for Americans. Putting aside the vital need for infrastructure investment (US roads=mega-potholes) which will employ a huge number of people, he can simply change US tax laws and tax allowances for US companies who have shifted manufacturing and services overseas. I think he has enough experience of operating overseas to know all the nasty areas of US FASB that he could easily change — look out Apple!
I’d echo you in saying that I liked his speech. We could do with some of his attitudes in the UK especially ‘one new law in, repeal two old ones’, and start penalizing companies for overseas data processing and call centres.
January 22, 2017 at 8:06 am #2430No-one forced Apple or Ford etc to move their manufacturing overseas, they could have left it there and still made a ton of money.
But that’s the Capitalist model for you, a race to the bottom on costs. Everything is about the bottom line.
How that squares with being the political leader of a country I guess we’ll find out.
Now we find out that Trump is already blaming the media for everything negative, even lying about the numbers at the inauguration when anyone with a pair of eyes can see the truth.
This man <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>is</span> dangerous, make no mistake about it.
January 22, 2017 at 12:01 pm #2446No-one forced Apple or Ford etc to move their manufacturing overseas, they could have left it there and still made a ton of money. But that’s the Capitalist model for you, a race to the bottom on costs. Everything is about the bottom line. How that squares with being the political leader of a country I guess we’ll find out. Now we find out that Trump is already blaming the media for everything negative, even lying about the numbers at the inauguration when anyone with a pair of eyes can see the truth. This man <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>is</span> dangerous, make no mistake about it.
Agree 100% the guy is dangerous. But I’m not sure that I’d be happy if some shite surfaced and he was impeached because Pence is just as bad and perhaps worse in many respects. Concerning yesterday’s protests around the USA, which in the majority were women, Pence has stated that he can’t understand why their men let them attend !!!! Oh well I guess at least relations with Saudi Arabia will improve…….. :wacko:
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January 22, 2017 at 12:53 pm #2447“… anyone with a pair of eyes can see the truth.”
Unfortunately that is not necessarily true in this day and age. Even putting aside Photoshop and far more sophisticated video/photo manipulation programs, there are simple ways of putting up two photos to make the point you raise. Simply having the Trump shot before everyone was there and the Obama shot at the oath taking would be a very easy manipulation to perform.
I don’t think the Beeb had a live camera on the Monument during the oath taking period, but if they did, that would be very difficult for anyone to dispute.
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