Syria

[dwynnehugh]

The Duke – ” ..Let her back, and monitor her….”

I would think that our hard pressed police / security services are fully stretched already with the ones we know / suspect are sympathisers, let alone allow back a person who has shown total disregard for her country of birth and who has shown no remorse whatsoever about the events she witnessed (participate in??) in Syria?

Let her rot there. At least that will be one less IS sympathisers we have to worry about and one less child our hard pressed social services will have to deal with. Sorry for the child – he suffers because of his mother.

The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

[Mark Turner]

↑ What Dwynne said. Then round up the ones up who they know have been there and returned back here and send them back and strip them of citizenship.

[The Duke]

A very sad way to look at things. We are ment to the ones setting examples, meant to be better than the others.

ITs a shame.

[dwynnehugh]

Sad or not, I bet the vast majority of the UK population are in 100% agreement with me. She turned her back on the UK, the land which gave her birth, education, freedom and God knows what else. She decided to go to Syria, where she says that looking at bins full of decapitated heads “did not phase her.”  I wonder what the families of those whose heads were in the bins would say now?

She wants to come back – perhaps IS did not have the social services infrastructures  we have here, the child welfare, the caring society, job seekers / unemployment benefits. If allowed back – she’d probably need housing, benefits, medical care for her and her child and a multitude of other services and support to boot.  Setting examples is one thing, being complete and utter idiots is something very different.

She can stay where she is until Hell freezes over as far as I am concerned, though perhaps I would bow to bringing the child back but NOT his mother.

The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

[Bob Williams]

She was 15 when she left, a child who had stupid ideas, based upon “heroic” falsehoods which radicalised her. None of her children asked to be born, including the two she is said to have lost. Without reference to the history of her latest child’s parents, this should be understood. What were the lives of any of us like at 15? What were our opinions, how opposed to the status quo?

It is now legally necessary and  enforceable that she is readmitted to the country of her birth. The conditions should be that she submits to a de-radicalisation programme and her child is adopted to a family many miles from her location, given a new name and never given any information about his biological parents. Can you imagine what the effect of knowing who his parents were, and what they did, could do to the child when he grows up?

If she does not agree to these conditions, strip her of UK citizenship, do not readmit her, but a way should be found to return the child to the UK and carry out the adoption process while he is still young enough to bond with adopted parents.

We have to find a way to live with most Muslims in this country and see them as British citizens. I have seen too many FB posts from too many idiots calling for ‘Deportation of all Muslims’. What? Even the doctors, consultants, nurses, police officers, etc, etc? Plus of course the barmpots who believe that Brexit means the end of free movement and any Commonwealth citizen living and working here, can be deported.

Sometimes I despair of even apparently intelligent citizens of my country.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Ed P]

Please Bob do not call her a Muslim. She is not representative of that faith – she has become a radical Salafist.

Governments of the EU are wise in always using that term to discriminate that group from Muslims in general. Our Government pussy-foots around and stirs up trouble for all by not using this accurate description. Our Government does this due to fear of upsetting illegal arms sales to the Saudis, many of whose leaders support and promulgate radical Salafism.

[Richard]

Bob, yes she was young and stupid with warped, stupid romantic ideas of what the world was like when she was 15, (what now does that say for votes for the stupid at 16?). However, she is now 19 and still espousing the same warped ideas that drove her four years ago. During that time she says she conceived and in effect killed two children by failing them and has now named a third to show her ongoing adherence to a death cult of non-Muslims, more accurately portrayed as devil worshippers. If a weak case could be made to allow her spawn of the devil to come to this country then everything should be done to insulate the suffering wretch from the sins of its bigoted, sinner mother and father and block another cycle of so called ‘radical’ stupidity.

I have very severe doubts that anyone so self indoctrinated and imbued with hate and driven solely by what she has done to herself could ever be ‘de radicalised’; it is a pity that she was not and has not yet been sterilised to prevent more suffers being foisted onto the world. She belongs to a sub class populated by the likes of freaks such as Fred West, Charles Manson, Beverley Allitt and Dr Shipman et al. To rake this dross together and call it a religious grouping is to stretch things too far, she might prima facie a have a passing likeness to members of the Thuggee pseudo sect of India. Though present revisionist historians deny they were a sect at all, just common criminals and foot pads who murdered. Perhaps, hopefully the current crop of satanists will suffer the same historical revision in a few years time.

Happily it appears that her fellow fools/travellers may have been disposed of preventing them from being a future problem.

[Bob Williams]

Ed I bow to your knowledge of Islam, my own knowledge based upon service in the Middle East during the 60’s. However, I also have Muslim friends and I put the Salafist description to them. Some are from both sides of the Islamist divide, but the general feeling is that she is still a Muslim and that it is quite possible to de – radicalise her, although it is admittedly a difficult and long process.

Richard I have to ask why your views are so bitter and acrimonious. I have to repeat: she was 15, and gave birth to children when still a child herself. At that age, all human beings are impressionable and likely to take on opinions about the world that in later life, they come to see were wrong. At 15, for example, I was attracted to Communism, by a friend at school whose dad was a card-carrying member. I lectured my poor old dad about how well Russia was performing, until my big brother supplied me with literature from unimpeachable sources, to demonstrate that it was all lies.

Yes, she is indoctrinated, but that can be changed: there are organisations that exist to do that. Please do not ignore the fact that she took on her beliefs at a very vulnerable age and has been reinforced in those beliefs by living her young life amongst a harsh and repressive regime. If she cannot accept the conditions I mentioned in my last post, then there is no alternative to refusal of entry and removing her son, to be adopted. But if there is a chance to save her from this indoctrination, it should be taken.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Ed P]

Bob, I chose my words carefully. I said that she was not representative of the Muslim faith, I never said that she was not a Muslim.

You probably did not have too many problems with Salafists in the 1960s as most ultra orthodox Sunnis would have called themselves Wahhabbi. Iirc that time it was the Radfan nationalists with whom the UK was in conflict. I guess they followed Nasser’s Pan Arab Nationalism rather than it being a religious war.

[Bob Williams]

Ed, I take your accurate point about representation of her religion.

Aden, and by extension Yemen, was in the 60’s a very complex situation, further complicated by religious hair-splitting and the many tribes and clans, who all seemed to hate each other. It was of course always a religious issue, as they all hated us as infidels and Ferenghi Devils.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Richard]

Bob, neither bitter nor acrimoniousness, just honest. The reports from those who try to de-radicalise those who have been turned. Dealing with the males was said  to be relatively easy though there is a measurable failure rate with them. However, the females were not radicalised by others but by their own stupid self choice and de-radicalising them was not a straight forward process nor a successful one. Since they had not been led into their mess by others, it was not possible for others to draw them back out again. They can never ever be trusted and like the proverbial bad apple they will rot the whole box, not to mention the entire warehouse.

I understand your example of having been deluded by someone who tried to sway you, but you were clearly able to see that you had been misled and able to be recovered rather easily. The woman in question lived with and saw their atrocities, but claimed  she was not only unmoved but was totally prepared to continue on her deluded way even after four years of experience. There is little hope of sorting that one out, ever.

When I wrote I compared her lot with other murderers, perhaps I should have also included the likes of Myra Hindley and Fred West’s wife, would you also shed crocodile tears for them? I would not.

My wife was in Aden right up to the end and was one of the last civilians evacuated so I am well aware of that situation. No child should have to be brought up in that sort of situation or with that sort of lifestyle. This is why I agreed that the child should have no contact with the mother even if he has to be brought to this country. Under no circumstances should he become a meal ticket for her. Apparently the mother has named the child after some ancient war lord to celebrate her hopes for his blighted future, is that a good start?

Frankly the way that otherwise honest family orientated Muslims are able to continue to admit any shred of acceptance that those who abuse their religion for dishonest self glorification as still being Muslims I find degrading of them. Though I recognise the issue and the problems they face after living and working with them for 16 years It is written into them from birth once a Muslim always a Muslim. and in many cases the laws are written around that fundamental tenet. I can just imagine the outcry from all and sundry if the same ruling was applied to the likes of Fred West or the Ian Huntley and they were referred to as Christians and thus ‘brothers’, not to be spoken against.

Can I take it that you would not be in favour of lowering the voting age given you strong views on the gullibility of impressionable youth?

[Ed P]

Richard wrote:

Can I take it that you would not be in favour of lowering the voting age given you strong views on the gullibility of impressionable youth?

You infer a valid point, but it is a pity that our broken system does not contain a mechanism in which 16-18 year olds could vote on candidates of their age, with such junior MPs dealing with issues for which they had insight and experience, and otherwise given a voice on national issues (but no vote).

The danger we have is that the young feel disenfranchised by the system whereby old Pharts have the greatest clout as they tend to cast a greater percentage of votes. It comes back to PR again, but with an age-group dimension.

[Bob Williams]

No I am not in favour of lowering the voting age Richard, but the ideas expressed by Ed in his last post are very interesting. After all is said and done, the young are the future of this country. I know from my grandbrats and their friends, that most appear to be super-critical of what they see as a carp future handed to them by the actions of present and previous generations. Their opinion of the ISIS ‘bride’ varies between “She is British born, how can she be refused entry?” (most) to “We don’t want her here.” (tiny minority)

Today I have been to my favourite barbers: three Turkish lads set up in Louth and are doing well. I had a conversation with the boss, a thirty-something entrepreneur with strong views on almost everything east of Turkey. He began talking to me after I told him that I had visited Izmir and Istanbul as a 16 and 17 year old junior Seaman, then Northern Cyprus during my Med voyages. I said that I had visited Lefkosa (Nicosia) Gazimağusa (Famagusta) and bathed off the beautiful beaches off the Karpoz peninsula. He asked why I had given the Turkish names, as everyone else he meets in the UK uses the (bracketed) Greek names. I told him that our ship’s cargo was always fruit from Turkish Cypriot businesses and that the owner invited the whole crew to a slap up meal every day of our stay. He invited me for a Turkish coffee and almond cakes at the rear of his barber shop and we talked. I told him that our welcome from any part of Turkey had always been warmer than an equivalent area of Greece, and we had also taken cargoes there, in the port of Piraeus. He said that the vast majority of Turks are equally opposed to Saudi Arabia and Iran, but they know that they are a bridge between Europe and the East. They feel more European than Eastern. He asks why the West has been supporting Kurds, when they have been killing Turks for decades: how would the UK have viewed Turkey supporting the IRA during the Troubles?

I appear to have made another Muslim friend, which gives me another slant upon the world and its problems. I have the cance to learn from another viewpoint.

And it was a great haircut!

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Richard]

Bob, I am well aware of the risks and risky behaviour that those of more tender years can undertake. I was not shall we say entirely blameless. There was the kid I knew who dabbled in ‘junior explosives’. He made fireworks and things that could and unfortunately did go bang. We played with such products, but the other demands of life moved me on. I called round to his house after not seeing him for a while, his elder brother came to the door, my friend had been mixing another batch of one of his brews and must have ground a little too well to ensure a perfect mix. The lot went up, though not being fully contained did not explode as such, but the burning mess was ejected from the bowl and as his face was in the direct access line he caught the full effects. His brother told me that he was unlikely to be available for a long time as he was in hospital for the long drag. I do not know what eventually happened to him I moved many miles away, but it was clearly not pretty.

At another time I came down Shooters hill in south London on a touring bicycle which did NOT have balanced wheels, I cannot confirm the speed but I passed my then friend as his speedo went off the scale at 40 MPH and caught sight of the speedo in a Morris Minor as I passed that with a suggestion that he was going closer to 50 than the speed limit. The unbalanced wheels were almost lifting off the road as the wheels to vibrated the machine in a very obvious uncontrollable way. I found out that some things can easily run outside their design limits if pushed too far, it took a while to regain what I regarded as control of what had been close to an unguided missile for a while. A third event suggested I was perhaps a slower learner than I should have been. One of the bridges I used to cross at the bottom of a valley had been washed away and the army had rigged a bailey bridge. Large signs showed the figure 10 and I not unreasonably though it meant 10 tons, not 10 MPH. Crossing in my then car at some where north of 30 was not one of my better ideas, I felt the suspension drop as the car went airborne and use all of its travel when it landed once more; the car and I survived. The return journey was more sedate and I lived through all of these stupid events.

An ex-school mate was less fortunate, he fell in with a wrong drug taking crowd at university, back in the 1960s and when I saw him during a summer vacation he could barely walk. He was a picture of total misery with his skin almost destroyed by eruptions. He begged me never to make the mistakes he made and avoid drugs at all cost. He had been told he would not see out more than another 12 months of painful life. He was the first from his family to have advanced that far through study and his once bright future was shattered. It was a sobering experience that has lived with me ever since, I have seen other lives cut short by drugs including a girl in my daughter’s class whore drugged father was the cause of his daughter’s death, he drugged and drank himself to death shortly afterwards.

These events have shaped by life and while I have taken risks since them, I like to feel I calculate the odds rather better than I once might have allowed.

One lesson I have learned from the rest of my travels through life are that no two people we might think of as being the same never are. The Muslims I knew came from many different branches of the religion and had very different views of life and each other. The Iranians were Shia of various types including some who were actually Bahai. The Sunnis tended to be more dour as a mass, though individuals from all groups were usually far more similar to you and me than might initially have expected. One was casually one of the most obviously racist referring to the wife of someone who had killed herself as of no importance as she was a third wife and very black. Another, had a quite wicked sense of humour. He used to drink beer and smoke like a chimney. I saw him a little while before he retired, still smoking like mad and I asked him if he would have a few glasses when he hung up his headphones. On no he said I am getting closer to Allah (be praised), I queried why he was still smoking since both were supposedly not acceptable, Ah I am not THAT close to him. His reply was an important memory from 50 years ago; he left when we were about to start employing female staff, and yes the two events were connected. Some of the females were also fine humorists and damned fine workers, better programmers than male counter parts.

 

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

All 16 year old’s have to do in order to vote is to wait 2 years. In theory no one even leaves full time education until they are 16 so at least give them 2 years away from an education system that is stuffed full of people who never actually left education at all !

In fact once they have had their 2 years of 6th form college and done a 5 year degree in modern dance there is a good case for raising the voting age to 25 for the same reasons.

Seem to have gone off topic a bit.

[dwynnehugh]

I see tonight, we have another one that would like to come back to the UK – Jihadi Jack – he misses his mummy, pasties and Dr Who.  May he too rot in hell.

The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

[The Duke]

Here so some more facts of Sryia we all Knew from day one. But packaged well and even trh BBC admitting the gas attack never happensed and that the sryian protectors army was a biritsh set up force, trying to mimick the Sryia protector army (one letter difference.) with two opposing ends. The offical own is tho help, the second to hinder, and help the terrosits

The white hates have been long known to be in bed with the terrorists, theu have neighbouring bases.

This is all the stuff we got called ‘tin foil hats’ for for tha last 6 years. Conspiricy theroirsts. Not its no longer a theory, but a true illegal Conspiricy.

As I said its all about access to lands and rights to put The last part of the Saudi pipe lie in Sryia that needs Turkey. Its always about money, oil or gas. (in this case all 3)

We created the rebellion out there, so we could go in and save the day, put in a puppet head, they would grant the access  and all is good. Iirc John kerry is on record saying saudi would cover the costs for americs and friends to fix the Sryia issue (ie pipe approval)

Though given Assad is a legal and democracly elected leader, what we started was illigal. Russia being Russia, doesn’t want this second pipe line going into Europe, there Gazprom line is the main game in town, at the mo, Saudi and Qatar both have to ship gas around and into Europe at great costs. Anyhow all Russia had to do is point out the legalities, made Obama look a fool, (a public slap to the face). Putin come off as the good guy, (master Stoke Btw)

And we end up with the shit storm stale mate we have today. No matter which way you look at it we messed up, we started it, and we are the bad guys.

Also when you think, go back 10 years (-/+) and you see have the west was lording tje glamourus Assads and their jewel of a non secualr nation withing the middle east, that had free health care, schooling, equal rights  the hole lot. Then the Saudis said they will cove trh cost of getting them out of the way.

Have you noticed, saudi are now buying iirc 250bn worth of us hardware. This is the pay off,to cover the costs. Even though its a failed.

 

Anyhow here is the video. Don’t take my word for it, or the videos. Let this be the spring board that enlightens you to how crap the BBC is and the BS propaganda they feed us every day. (also Venezuela is a load of BS too. Biggest oil reserve in the world, they just stopped selling oil by the dollar, and they are friends with Russia. 3 strike rule)

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