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    blacklion1725blacklion1725
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      @blacklion1725
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      Exactly Duke – why make such a mess just before the whole world will have its eyes on Russia? Its a murky world and I’m sure all countries are offing people left right and centre – but timing and method here makes no sense for it to be Russia.

      #19475
      RichardRichard
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        @sawboman
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        You can spin this out every which way and more, alternatives exist such as we are embarrassed that we goofed up. If it was a disgruntled member of staff, then who is responsible for their actions?

        #19477
        blacklion1725blacklion1725
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          Richard no idea – and I can see a motive for Russia to top him (or try) – but not to mess up so badly and not to do it now. Shouting “It was Russia” so quick also makes no sense – aside from distracting from our Government’s own failings.

          #19479
          RichardRichard
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            @sawboman
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            BL, it is not a substance you can nip down to the corner shop to buy. Sadly it carries no trademark on ever molecule but there is only one known source/developer/user. Perhaps it was old stock starting to go off, mishandled rubbish, whatever, but who allowed fumble handling? There is too much reliance on the old so called plausible deniability with a side dish of FUD for which the internet is such a lazy easy option. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and lays eggs like a duck, its a duck or put another way if blocks all possible competitors and scores by a hostile action in a foreign country to ‘win; a fixed election, then its a Putin.

            Governments are always good for cheap shots, try catching a train in France at the moment, or accepting the Hungary has an elected Government that many outside Hungary hate, especially in Brussels, that the EU does not have its own hidden issues arising, the list is endless of potential cheap targets. At least we don’t yet have the rob on sight anti Semitic party following its TAW ways – tax and waste. I left the country to get away from their lot back in the 1970s, now I regret coming back. for a possible rerun of the past errors courtesy of comrade another Corbyn.

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            blacklion1725blacklion1725
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              Richard I don’t think its cheap shots – its usually their fault. I genuinely do not think Theresa May has got much between her ears and is pobably badly advised – but she blurted all this out without a reasonable wait for a proper investigation (or even a pretend investigation).

               

              #19481
              Ed PEd P
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                Richard I hate to remind you that the UK was the only known source/developer/user (on unaware NS ‘volunteers’) of the VX nerve agent and I would never suggest that the UK holds any responsibility for the subsequent terrorist and State usage of it.

                As a one time organic chemist I would say that there is enough published info on Novochok to make a fair stab at concocting one of its evil family, and a number of sources have reached similar conclusions. Once the cat is let out of the bag it is hard to constrain it. I would say however that both Sarin and VX are ‘easier’ to produce so I think it unlikely that Novochok will ever become a weapon of choice by terrorists.

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