Poor Judgement, Wobbly Leadership

[Ed P]

Unfortunately it looks like 12 months of nastiness for the UK.  Sterling is sure to take a big knock due to loss of confidence and uncertainty.

David Davis is not going to get the hard Brexit he so obviously wants as the opposition will gang up to frustrate the process of passing all the enabling legislation. The NHS will go into melt-down as there are now not enough EU nurses coming to the UK. Everything will go to hell in a handcart and the Conservative party will be damned if they go to the country and damned if they don’t. All Labour have to do is play a quiet statesman-like waiting game as it is very unlikely this Zombie Government will last the 21months until a hard Brexit is the only option.

The balance of economist viewpoints seems to favour the Labour tax&spend strategy as the best way of smoothing out this mess,. So provided Corbyn dumps an obviously sick Diane Abbbot. the next decade could well be a Socialist one.

[The Duke]

Bring back Tony Blair, we was all rich then. Forget about his illegal wars, that are still ongoing today.

I can’t believe TM thought it was a good idea it try and twist Corbyns old speech about not going to Afghan as it will created more terrorists. (a view I’ve always held Btw).

There was alot if youtube adds attackkng him, but they played the bit of his speech that I’d guess, most people would agree with. Then followed it up with Corbyn says about solders are the reason for terrorists.

Any fool,watching the smear add including me, can’t buy her stupid spin on his 2003 words.

She should  of spend time making adds telling me why I should vote for them. Or even better got her arse out of the house and actually campaign.

I hate a smear campaign. Out of principle I’ll always back the one being smeared. But in this case, labour was actually telling us what they would like to achieve, the tories wasn’t.

So I couldn’t of voted for them, as I didn’t really know what they wanted to to. So I couldn’t decided if I wanted to vote for them.

I voted for camaron, I didn’t like what he was wanting to do, but I understood why he was doing it. Back then labours approach wouldnt of worked.

I’m just glad, the right now have less leverage in the house, so they can’t lean more right.

[Ed P]

No anyone but TBLiar.

The one thing I actually like about Corbyn is that he appears to be that rare animal – an honest politician. Honest to the point that he appears not to care if it hurts him. May on the other hand has shown herself to have all the worst traits of a politician—  dictatorial, untrustworthy, poor judgement and tries to wriggle out of responsibility if given a half chance. I did not trust her an inch, and her ‘we will listen to you and expert advisers’ speech went down like a TBLiar lead balloon

[Dave Rice]

The thing is he’d literally been turned into a pantomime villain. Remember at the end of the campaign on her highly managed “meetings with the public” there was a call and response between TM and the stooges like being at a panto.

I think the Brexit negotiations are truly forked now. As someone pointed out today you don’t negotiate a hard Brexit, you just do nothing. Leaving with no deal isn’t a threat, it’s the default condition. I am also fed up with the Brexiteers twisting any situation into being proof of support.

There needs to be some sort of cross party consensus now otherwise all that will happen is whatever is negotiated will just be rejected when it comes back. There’s still far too much posturing going on and in the “national interest” it isn’t.

[Ed P]

The ‘gallant’ negotiators who failed was I think the preferred Fox/Davis strategy and they might just have got away with it had not May been too opportunistic. Now however too many will be looking at the negotiations seeking a softer  Brexit. If May et al screw around too much they risk losing a vote of confidence in the worst possible way that exposes major Conservative splits.

Corbyn now has the benefit of momentum, things now look like they are going his way, and gutless MPs will quickly jump on his bandwagon.

[The Duke]

I was joking about TB.

[D-Dan]

Honestly, the veto power that smaller nations have is exactly why I voted out. We were a proud, inclusive nation. We had an empire, and as much as it was mismanaged, at the time it was the norm. Now, we are almost meaningless on the world stage, and that’s because we have been overshadowed by the undemocratic Union.

At least, with the power to determine our own destiny, we can be a worthwhile power again, done with the modern philosophies in mind, and honestly, I believe that is what Corbyn would fight for.

Right now, we have May’s promised coalition of chaos, though I’m not so sure she thought it would be her doing. The youth are fed up to the back teeth of being those that suffer in the name of austerity. Hell, I’m a tad fed up with it myself.

The Tories had the opportunity to make a meaningful difference, and May promised it for the first week, and then her true colours showed and she’s been going downhill since. I honestly don’t think she anticipated the groundswell of opinion against her, and even after a slim win, the polls continue to swing against her.

I would hate to see a New Labour government as much as the next man or woman, but perhaps Corbyn’s return to grass roots socialism could not only win, but fix this country. I hope I’m around to see it tested.

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[Bob Williams]

Dan, we gave away and closed down the Empire because we no longer had the financial means to afford the military means that would have held onto it. Thanks to two World Wars, the ramifications of which are still not completely concluded, we ended in 1945 as a nation completely dependent upon the USA. Then 1947 and nationalisation happened and we went into a spiral from which we never really recovered.

“The power to determine our own destiny” is exactly what we do not have. We are going to be dependent again upon others to replace all the Trade and Trade Agreements which we have (for the moment) with the EU. No other nation or trading bloc, owes us anything. Not the USA, not the Commonwealth, whose nations are now independent sovereign states with their own trading partners. What does anyone seriously believe that we can offer them? You may point to actual deals made with countries such as India, but they will take what they want at terms advantageous  to themselves. And every one of those fast-developing nations such as India, is already receiving Overseas Aid from us. Why is that?

The first point about this whole Brexit happening, is that we were lied to by politicians with both eyes on the main chance – furthering their own careers. The second point, is that the 27 states of the EU are now thoroughly pissed off with the UK and will do their utmost to take from our leaving the biggest pay off they can get. They will also hold our politicians to a deadline for leaving. Sterling is in free fall and the economy is not far behind. Where do you imagine all that leaves us? Why do you think most young Brits blame the older generation for Brexit? What do you think will happen, if and when the generation of New Voters who almost put Labour in power, get a Second Referendum on Europe?

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Ed P]

The Duke wrote:

I was joking about TB.

Just like the Monty Python sketches about the Spanish Inquisition, never mention TBLiar even in jest!?

[Drezha]

Bob Williams wrote:

What do you think will happen, if and when the generation of New Voters who almost put Labour in power, get a Second Referendum on Europe?

Or if we leave the country completely with a brain drain…

"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett

[Ed P]

Dan – we have been pretty much meaningless since the 1900s.. We got suckered into the First World War due to Edward VIIs craving for Parisian whores which gave rise to pressures for the stupid Entente Cordiale when it would have been much better for us to sit on the sidelines and make money from both sides. Instead we bled a generation white and left the country as a pauper, an act which inevitably led to the Second World War and the completion of our slide down the world ranking  scale propped up only by our meaningless possession of atomic weapons which are now effectively under US control!

We should have realized that we were fourth rank after Suez when the US and Russia ganged up on us and treated both the UK and the French as naughty boys playing at being neo-colonialists.

At least within Europe we were a country with a leading role in guiding one of the largest economies in the world – no wonder that the US has been using propaganda and sub-rosa tactics to sabotage the EU since the 90s.

I’ll admit that there were major EU irritants such as the misapplication of the Human Rights law, but this could have been fixed by giving UK citizens their own Bill of Rights. I’ll also admit that Merkel’s malign open door policy to terrorists was a disaster but this too could have been fixed given political will. Still such things are for the moment dead but hopefully may yet reemerge.

[The Duke]

Given are tiny size, I think we was hitting far above our wright for years, and once the people of these lands matured, and the earth grew smaller, we was never going to hang on to far flung lands.

So I see are irrelevance, as where we should be, actually, we still have more clout than the size deserves.

Tbh I’d rather not be in a country that’s poking it’s nose in to foreign affairs, trying to dictate to others “our” way of life.

So I don’t care the empire had gone. I’d rather we worked in partnership with nations. As looking inward is a dangerous concept, it can’t lead to no good longterm.

Boarders are just artificial prisons put in place to control us. For the future when automation takes the lion share. We will need an economic model where every one gets a “living wage”, though for this to work the majority of nations need to be on board and share all resources.

I’m not saying new world order, as that is a capitalist construct, to feed the wealth onto a few. We weed a structure, like a socialist one, or even communist one, in the future more than ever.

The communist “experiment” of the ussr and Cuba, get called proof of failer. I don’t think true. Yest it failed, but only because the rest of the globe went capitalism, and that structure relies on inflation to work.

Communism relies on a fixed economy, (or more fixed), so as the worked got “richer” or rather inflation took hold over 30-40 years, it eventually left the ussr broke, as it still had to import. If the majority are working together with a socialist agenda, sharing resources, and not chasing shareholder profits. It would have a better longterm future than the capitalist culture we currantly have adopted.

Capitalism can’t work in the future we are martingale towards. There will be massive “haves” and many many more “have nots”

So as much I don’t like alot about the EU, us leaving the EU and the USA entering exclusionism, seemingly leaving the world, the world has took a backwards step over the last 2 years.

[Bob Williams]

When a tiny group of MP’s from a Party which has had only occasional, minor influence upon mainland political affairs for decades, is able to put a hand upon Westminster’s tiller, we are in trouble. Add to that, pointless and ineffective, thrashing around by the Tories, whose leader apologises like a contrite schoolgirl, to an organisation with far too much influence (1922 Commitee) upon the party of (almost) government.

The purchase of waders may be advisable: we are about to be hip deep in the brown and smelly for some time.

The only hope I can see for this country, is another election and another referendum regarding membership of the EU. Perhaps a majority will recover their senses. maybe a Lab-Lib coalition? Anything but the DUP, what drives those anachronistic fanatics is a version of democracy unrecognisable on this side of the Irish Sea.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[D-Dan]

Noooo. I will never, ever support anything Lib again. I was foolish enough to give them a chance, when they whored themselves out to Cameron.

I’d much rather see a Labour (Corbynite style) majority, now.

Having said that, TM jumping into bed with the DUP, whilst at the same time supposedly being the stable voice in NI could, if Sinn Fein choose (and they may), give us another bonfire night, so, sticky toffee in summer.

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[Bob Williams]

IMO, some other influence is needed for either of the main parties before they could form a good government. A braking mechanism, to stop the craziness from both main parties. If we get a Labour majority government at the next election (which may come sooner than we think) then we will have voted for mass nationalisation. 1947 all over again, massive public spending financed by those Corbyn considers to be rich. Followed by a drain of businesses and brains. Realise that much of British business is in the hands of multinationals and foreign enterprises. How long will those remain here? Mass unemployment will not be far behind. Soon we will be knocking on the IMF door again: will anyone answer?

If we had a Tory majority at the recent election, there would now be an increase in austerity measures. We would have continued along the path set by the PM who had no idea what to do from one day to the next. Now she is subject to so many voices in her ear, there will be even more confusion in her leadership.

And now the Brexit negotiations have to be carried out by that same weak leader and her team, of whom only David Davis has any skills to offer. We are screwed: the EU holds all the cards and we can only accept what they are prepared to offer. Which is very little, apart from a huge bill.

Misguided patriotism, supported and reinforced by lies, brought us to this point.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Ed P]

Well at least the election revealed the complete sham behind Teresa May’s ‘strong and stable’ veneer.  It also reveals that she is incapable of negotiating her way out of a paper bag. Just three days of the DUP saying ‘these are our demands take it or leave it’, and she is about to completely cave in order to get her five year term.I’m not surprised that the DUP are smiling every day, the taste and smell of ‘pork’ must be overwhelming.

However, the realities are that unless she also caves into meeting Scottish and anti-Brexit MPs she will fail at the first confidence vote.

Looks like five years of torture for the Government and five years of hell for us.

[D-Dan]

Honestly, you expect five years? I’m surprised she managed five minutes.

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