Off with his head!

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Nah, it cannot be contempt as there has been no court ruling on the matter. It carefully complies with the Benn acts requirement to ask for an extension so there can’t be any legal action either.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

The Benn act was hurriedly composed by a back bencher and it is full of holes. There are no words in it like “The Priminister must respectfully request” so he most likely won’t 😁

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

We are also going to get a Queens speech no matter what parliament wants and it will most likely contain lots about the governments intent for Brexit. MP’s have a chance to approve it or to vote it down. If they vote it down then Borris has every right to see that as a vote of no confidence so he can finally call an election.

[Ed P]

I read that our so-called MEPs are talking of disrupting the EU business if there is an extension. Obviously we have managed to elect a bunch of cretins who do not appreciate that any Brexit agreement then has to be followed by a cooperative negotiation on trade, agriculture, fishing etc. These neo-fascist idiots seem to think that we can just sever all relationships with mainland Europe and  Ireland.

[Dave Rice]

The Benn Act was not drawn up by some know nothing back benchers, those who’ve looked at it say it’s not full of holes. They will have to find some way around it, not through it. The Courts take a dim view of loopholes when the intent is obvious. No-one can claim that the act is ambiguous.

It’s all talk to keep people on side until the last minute, then something else needs to be blamed. They’ve even tried stoking up civil disobedience so that certain emergency powers can be granted. The dog whistles are out.

When crashing out through the back door is safe we’ll get an election. Until then it’s an obvious elephant trap.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

The courts will follow the letter of the law,like it or not, because its all they can do. High price lawyers use loop holes all the time. Its about time the government employed some instead of relying on the old duffers they have on staff.

[Ed P]

Graham, you have to remember that ‘duplicity’ is Johnson’s middle name. He has a history of dumping things if they interfere with his ambitions of power.

He cannot call an election but he is vulnerable to a coalition coup.  Watch for him bending his previous undertakings in order to cling on to power and try to achieve some sort of Brexit even if it means further straying from the creed of the right-wingers.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Thats not the way I see it Ed. The Government and the Brexit party DO NOT WANT an extension so the threat of disruption is real IF the EU grant an extension. If their is no extension then there will be no UK MEPs so no disruption and we can get on with negotiations on a Nation to EU level.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

I will just say that again. Deal or No deal there will be NO UK MEPs after the 31st of October unless the EU insists on an extension.

[Ed P]

Graham you are assuming that the Mendacious One manages to cling onto power past October 31st.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

I will say this again too. The government do not want an extension but because of the Benn act it is within the EU’s power to insist on one. The ball is entirely in their court.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

There is nothing the remoaners can do about Borris without triggering a general election. No one takes power in the UK without one, talk of a coup is fantacy that could and would be stamped on by Royal decree.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Of course the result of an election is far from certain but if Borris won a working majority then the in out nonsense would come to an end and we could get on with proper negotiations.

[Ed P]

Wheels-Of-Fire wrote:

There is nothing the remoaners can do about Borris without triggering a general election. No one takes power in the UK without one, talk of a coup is fantacy that could and would be stamped on by Royal decree.

Quite wrong I’m afraid. A vote of no confidence triggers the following process, and they have 15 days to do it in, after which it is a General Election. (this time period stops as soon as a new Government steps forward)

a) The leader of the opposition is asked if he has the mandate to form a new Government. Corbyn probably does not so that then rolls to the next step.

b) A coalition leader can come forward and state that he has a sufficient majority in Parliament to form a Government. Refer to Government of National Unity

Imo any politician who wants the leadership in that situation is a political fool. It is a no-win situation because nearly all options will upset at least half of the country. Best that it falls to someone who has declared their intention to retire at the next election.

[Dave Rice]

Royal decree? There is no such thing.

The Queen could technically remove Boris is he refused to resign after losing a no confidence motion but would only do so if the House of Commons has someone waiting to takeover. Which is what Ed was describing.

If there is no-one then it’s GE time and who knows how that will end. Another Referendum is the only sure way out.

Whatever happens the country is split in two and will be for a generation. We have the “responsible” Conservative Party to thank for that. I just hope this sees the end of them and they can take Labour with them.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

A Government of national unity is also a fantacy because they are only formed if the elected party can’t agree a course of action and everyone in the cabinet was put there because they promiced to agree with Borris.

Like I said, Borris is staying put until he can call an election.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

And we are a constitutional monarchy which prevents a coup because such undemocratic action would see power reverting to the crown. Its what has prevented the glorious Marxist revolution all these years.

[Dave Rice]

If there is a vote of no confidence Boris must resign. The Commons have 14 days to agree that someone else can form a government, Corbyn gets first dibs. That is the source of a government of national unity. People (potentially) from all sides come together under a leader. This is what Ed mans by a coup, not tanks on College Green.

Disillusioned Tories, some of who are not standing again (and some who have resigned from the Party) may not help Corbyn into power, but you could see them coming together to stop Boris if terms were right. Say a temporary Government to organise a Referendum. Such a Government could easily brought down if it over stepped their marks by a vote of no confidence.

If there is no-one then Parliament is dissolved and a GE takes place.

The Queen will side with the Commons under the PM of the day, like she did with Proroguing. But if Boris refused to resign after a vote of no confidence she could in theory oust him. I don’t think he dare do that, it would cause even more Constitutional uproar.

Is this the “Sovereignty” you voted for? If we were not already a Sovereign nation, how could all this be taking place? You’ll notice that the European Courts are not involved at all.

[Ed P]

Apologies for using the word ‘coup’, I thought people would understand the short hand in the context of a Coalition Government.

Dave’s correction was spot-on, nothing like the Wilson Coup is being planned afaik. However maybe the Queen has other ideas!

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Well I did read your link Ed, as I mostly do, and it was from the Guardian, as they often are, never the less it is true. If it was possible in law we would now be living in the peoples republic of Great Brittan 🙄

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