New Electric Vehicles only from 2030

[The Duke]

I thought rubber particulates are the next bogey man, so maybe tax will go on tyres .

[Ed P]

A couple of Aussie states have brought in an annual mileage-based electric car tax that wipes out any incentive to get one. The Greenies are up in arms about it. Pretty dumb really, they should have wiped out the petrol duty and made the mileage charge universal, then they could have kept some sort of apparent incentive.

[Dave Rice]

Well there’ll be a massive tax black hole to fill and our current method of taxation is based on usage. The more petrol you buy the more tax you pay. Seems fair enough to me.

If they provide some sort of incentive, as they did with unleaded, as soon as the balance tips they will remove the incentive anyway.

The move to electric vehicles is to save the planet not make travelling cheaper.

[Ed P]

If we really want to cool the earth’s climate and supposedly save the planet, we should encourage the burning of high sulfur fuels in ocean going ships, not ban it as is currently the case. (Transatlantic air travel is pretty good too)

There is indisputable scientific evidence from the CERN CLOUD experiment that sulfuric acid is an essential prerequisite to the formation of clouds over the ocean, and strong scientific evidence that such clouds act as a sunscreen so cooling the planet.

Incidentally there is strong geological evidence that high levels of CO2 are correlated with more plant/animal life on the planet, so I’m not convinced about any link between saving the planet and reducing CO2. (cows farting are much worse!)

[keith with the teef]

Current thinking is that because making the batteries is so resorce hungry its like have 50000 on the clock before its left the show room.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

If your’e  not using 100% carbon free generation then there is the inefficiency of the whole thing to think about too.

If you burn fuel to make mechanical energy it is far from 100% efficient but at least if you burn the fuel in your car you can use that energy to drive the wheels directly.

For an electric vehicle you have to use mechanical energy to drive a generator which is far from 100% efficient.

Then you must send the electricity over a distribution network, which is less than 100% efficient.

Then you must use a charger to get the right Voltage/Current to charge your battery, which is not 100% efficient.

Then you must actually charge the battery, which is not 100% efficient.

Then you must release the electricity from the battery and regulate it, which is not 100% efficient.

And finally you must use a less than 100% efficient electric motor to produce mechanical power to drive the wheels.

All in all, its a wonder there is enough power left to actually go anywhere 😆

[Dave Rice]

Not true.

“EVs convert over 77 per cent of the electrical energy from the grid to power at the wheels. Conventional gasoline vehicles only convert about 12 per cent – 30 per cent of the energy stored in gasoline to power at the wheels,” according to the US Department of Energy”.

If you’re going to include distribution then you must include the energy to get the stuff out of the ground, refined, transported, pumped etc.

[Ed P]

I agree it isn’t as ‘green’ as many think, but electric cars have one huge advantage. They totally diminish the dangerous power that the Middle East had over the political thinking of the West, and it shafts the Scots Nats at the same time! :yahoo:

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Err, so EV’s loose 23% of the power that manages to get to the socket then Dave ?

[Dave Rice]

So the experts say. I’m not going to argue with them.

Look at the energy wasted in heat from a combustion engine. There’s so much special cooling arrangements need to be made. I don’t think you can fry an egg on an EV power unit?

[PlaneMan]

Vehicles are pretty crap at turning energy into momentum. EV’s are better than ICE vehicles by a LONG way. And I love petrol engines.

Yes the battery components are sourced from places that have terrible human rights issues, cobalt being a big one, kids being forced underground to mine it.

Simple fact, over the whole life of a vehicle, a pure electric vehicle will be more efficient, better to the environment, cheaper to run and the battery can be recycled when the range drops too low. Unless you generate electricity by burning things, which the UK doesn’t do much of anymore.

 

[PlaneMan]

Amazon are now running a lot of Prime liveried fully electric vans around my way.  Mercs. From what I could find out the WLTP range is 90 odd miles, more like 70 in the real world but they can charge to 80% in 30 minutes on the right charger.

They must have another depot closer to Cardiff than the behemoths in Avonmouth and Swansea.

[PlaneMan]

Batteries that can be recharged in 5 minutes are now a thing. Needs a super high powered charger though.

It’s a step in the right direction though. Info

[keith with the teef]

They have built some new warehouses next 2 the M42 and in the car parks there are rows of charging machines.

I wonder how long they will last.

The level of worker vandalism where I work is out of control and nothing is done about it. Elephant in the room thing.

[The Duke]

<p style=”text-align: left;”>Tesla was always about speeding up adoption, because they want to be the world’s battery supplier. Thats the only reason they started building cars.</p>

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