Is Labour now "#&cked" as was overheard yesterday during the TIG Launch?

[Dave Rice]

Well there you have it, as predicted she’s going down to the wire as it’s the only thing she could do. Her deal will never pass Parliament nor be changed by the EU. All she can do is threaten one side with No Deal and the other with No Brexit.

Expect to see Yvette Coopers amendment pass to stop the ERG from just sitting on their hands to get what they want. We all know in the very unlikely event of the EU changing anything, probably just Geoffrey Cox saying he’s happy, the ERG would reject it anyway.

Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be “one of the easiest in human history.’ Liam Fox, July 2017

‘In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.’ Nigel Farage, May 2016.

“It was me that got us into this mess, I will get us out of it.” Theresa May, June 2017, to her troops after destroying the Tory majority.

‘The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.’ Michael Gove, April 2016

‘Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.’ John Redwood, July 2016

‘It is like threading the eye of a needle. If you have a good eye and a steady hand, it is easy enough,’ David Davis, December 2016, dismissing fears a Brexit deal might be difficult

‘Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market,’ Daniel Hannan, May 2015

“If we vote to leave then I think the union will be stronger.’ Michael Gove, May 2016

‘Within 2 years, before negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, & therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at point of exit.’ David Davis, July 2016

‘I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019’. David Davis, January 2017

‘The Conservative party will ensure that we fulfil our duty in ensuring that stability, so that we can all, as one country go forward together.’ Theresa May, 2017

‘Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in ‘an afternoon over a cup of coffee,’ Gerard Batten, UKIP Brexit spokesman, February 2017

Brexit ‘might even mean that there is less space for anger in our politics.’ Douglas Carswell, UKIP MP, March 2017

‘There are good grounds for a new government team to offer the public a voice on what the deal looks like. And we obviously wouldn’t oppose that… I think there’s a strong democratic case for it.’ Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave campaign director, Jan 2016

‘If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”. David Davis, 2012, discussing the EU

[The VFM Addict]

Personally I have no fear of a second referendum.    Logically though it will increase division and if it goes the Remain way would simply protract the Pro v Anti EU War for another decade or more.  Ultimately it could settle nothing.

Being a Chess player who has competed at more than casual level I can say with certainty that often players have a totally won position on the board but play it badly and lose.    We had a winning board but May played it badly.    That she secured no advantageous deal for us does not mean that those who declared it was a winning board were wrong.    Tell me, Dave, have you ever blown a negotiation.  I certainly have, often.  Even the very, very best rarely get it right more that 80% of the time.   And May is not even a mediocre negotiator.

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[JayCeeDee]

The VFM Addict wrote:

Even the very, very best rarely get it right more that 80% of the time. And May is not even a mediocre negotiator.

 

And that’s the nub of the problem, we have a ( bad ) politician trying to negotiate for the country.

Why, 2 years ago, weren’t the headhunters out for top negotiators, such as Nick Clegg’s wife ( already experienced in EU wide contract negotiations ) and a team of similarly CV’d others????

It’s a bit like sending a capable chess player into a Poker tournament and hoping your seed money doesn’t disappear!!

[Ed P]

She also had the most incompetent bunch of Ministers that can be imagined. She tried to put together a Cabinet to represent a cross-section of views and finished with a bellowing Camel.

She was also badly advised. The EU certainly had a history of caving in at the last minute but not when things mattered to it. It rightly assessed that the impact on individual EU members would be less than the UK as a whole. Sure Germany would be affected worse, but much less than the UK. In this situation preservation of the EU as a whole wins through. This is a theme echoed by the Irish who also have a lot to lose. They correctly assessed that the potential for a hike in UK food prices of 40% is electorally unacceptable in the UK.

The UK hand just was not good enough when it was exposed. Commercial Negotiations are NOT a Chess Match they are a Poker Game, and if someone tries to draw a gun they get shot or ostracised.

If you have ever worked for a Marketing Organization the one mantra you will hear from the bosses is that clinching the deal is what counts, all else is irrelevant noise.

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