Hotmail

[Ed P]

I’ve NEVER had a problem with Hotmail, so excuse me for being a bit dubious about pinning all the blame on Hotmail.  Browser hijacking is a common as mud, and one of the easiest ways of hijacking all your browsers is to modify the Hosts file.  If your A/V does not detect this happening you are stuffed as this can divert all attempts to log-on to go to la-la land.

You may want to consider setting your hosts file back to its default value. link. Btw as you will see from the link, Linux also has a Hosts file!

[edit] I should have added that the default Hosts file is very short and looks like this. Your Hosts file will be much larger as it builds to reflect your browsing:

“Copyright (c) 1993-2006 Microsoft Corp.
#
# This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows.
#
# This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each
# entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should
# be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name.
# The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one
# space.
#
# Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual
# lines or following the machine name denoted by a ‘#’ symbol.
#
# For example:
#
# 102.54.94.97 rhino.acme.com # source server
# 38.25.63.10 x.acme.com # x client host
# localhost name resolution is handle within DNS itself.
# 127.0.0.1 localhost
# ::1 localhost

“

[Anonymous]

Thanks Tippon

I have Yahoo it’s mainly that hotmail has been my most used. To change means letting everyone know.

I don’t remember who everyone is, but I may need to hear from them.

I will have to keep playing the password game.

I had a look on your link Ed, my brain now hurts, can’t get my head round it.

it’s not been a threat, just a nuisance.

I confess at this stage it’s not my Hotmail account, it’s hers. She needs them emails from Amazon about her orders (at the moment she is waiting for a refund) and they often send unexpected emails (your parcel is being delivered today).

[The Duke]

Side Point, not related to your issue john.

Ed, did you know Edge will ignore your host file. Barnacles (from youtube) The ex Ms programmer, figured this out very early on, while figuring out where edge was reporting back to.

[Ed P]

New one to me Steve, ta!

John if she joins Amazon Shopping from her mobile they will send her text messages about deliveries etc.

[The Duke]

See link below, FFW to 18:25

[The Duke]

Iirc correctly because of the above discovery, he went on to use this product to fully monitor what was going on.

[Anonymous]

Ed she doesn’t have internet on her mobile.

I have Amazon setup for text messages, yet they have never text me. But then I
don’t have internet on my mobile, however you don’t need internet for text.

Duke I have watched your link, it talks at first install, I just got to the desktop part and will go through on Win 10 rig.

[Ed P]

If you have wifi on your mobile afaik you could set it up to use the Internet without having any data allowance on your mobile. I have never checked this, but I see no reason why it should not work. Happy to be corrected by any other Forumite on this statement!

[Anonymous]

Cheers Ed

I have WiFi I did once use it with Orange, it using my router. Yet Orange charged me. I did phone and say the only internet used was via my router, they refunded. It’s something I don’t want to go through again.

Other than amazon notifying me about post I have no reason nor need to use the internet on a mobile. Internet on a mobile is even smaller than a laptop or tablet and I can’t use them. Can’t be doing with finger mouse and keypads. I prefer a mouse and keyboard, can’t be doing on my lap.

If I clean her laptop it’s on my desk with a USB keyboard and mouse.

[The Duke]

The linked videos was initially meant for you, but to highlight a point to ed, but yes when you do a clean set up next, it’s not bad practice to follow that video.

However there is likely to be some diffence as what was from the firsts weeks of win 10 release. But non the less, the majority will be still relevant.

The link ed gives you to clean your host file is what you want to check and clean up. That is exactly what I was getting at (but for got the name host file) in my first post, when I spoke about not quite knowing how deep a rouge browser add on can go.

[Anonymous]

Thanks Duke I will look back at Eds link

Been sorting Anti Beacon and Glasswire, he goes a little fast on the tutorials but I managed to set them up.

Not sure if others use them I am a little stuck on Glass Wire, it’s frightenig to dsee how much connects to the internet without my say.

Within Glass Wire I can block them, I don’t know what they are so would blocking any harm the running of my rig, search and cortina is turned off yet it connects to the net. I get lodas of activity (pop ups) telling me whats just connected. I think I am spending time reading the pop up.

Below you can see activity within a short time, what can I safely block.

Some like Rapport – True Image – Firefox I use

[The Duke]

He is adhd and speaks fast. I wouldn’t bother with glasswire John, he is a draw programmer, and knows what he is doing, the likes of you and I will more like do our salves harm messing with stuff we don’t understand.

The first link (video)  on the basic setup, plus making sure your host file is cleaned up, and stays clean, is all you need to do.

I think your best bet would be a clean install from scratch and not from a backup/clone,  as if you have an issue hidden, you don’t known how long it’s been hiding and if it’s in your back up.

I defo wouldn’t go poking with stuff I don’t fully understand, as you never know what your turning off.

The first video, though relative to your issue, that was only by accident.  it was to show ed that Edge can ignore the host file.  the second video was to back up the first video, as wasn’t ment for you. Sorry if it led you down the wrong path.

[Anonymous]

Thanks Duke

I might uninstall Glass.

The problem I have with a fresh install, is with 1 user software I have.

Like – I saw a bargain on amazon for Office 2016 and purchased it, it’s one user (1 rig) a fresh install becomes another rig and I lose the rights. I have other software which is 1-3 rigs I have fresh installed and I get the message this is installed the limited amount of times.

Back to the original hotmail issue I am treading carefully since the last password reset, so far so good.

[Ed P]

Which Office 2016 do you have? If you have the Home & Student this link makes it clear that you CAN reinstall it. You do however have to carefully follow the procedure in the link.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Edge ignores the Hosts file ? News to me.

[Ed P]

My guess is that they just hard-coded the DNS address into Edge, or the phone-home address is still sitting in the DNS cache.

[Anonymous]

Ed P wrote:

Which Office 2016 do you have? 

Pro

[The Duke]

Edge has the following address’s hardcoded in to it, so will ignore the host. 

http://www.msdn.com
msdn.com
http://www.msn.com
msn.com
go.microsoft.com
msdn.microsoft.com
office.microsoft.com
microsoftupdate.microsoft.com
wustats.microsoft.com
support.microsoft.com
http://www.microsoft.com
microsoft.com
update.microsoft.com
download.microsoft.com
microsoftupdate.com
windowsupdate.com
windowsupdate.microsoft.com

All the nice ms snoopy sites are there.

[Anonymous]

I opted for a fresh install, especially thinking it was causing all the problems I had on forumite yesterday.

Phew it wasn’t me (site buggered message) I may as well carry on with fresh install.

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