General Election

[Richard]

TAWS, = tax and waste party, just look at the results of PFI on school budgets, however the avoidance bit is wise advice.

Was about the Whigs, I remembered the sound from 1950s history and civics classes, but did not bother to check the special spelling, they are all hair and nonsense anyway.

The EU bars any members from discussions with outside bodies, so how can anyone have any such discussions with us?

The spiteful mob will have applied the thumb screws

[Anonymous]

Both sides are playing hard ball. Until negotiations actually start, neither side is going to sound soft. That’s how a negotiation starts. You start at the two ends of the extremes and meet in the middle.

 

I’m hoping there is a big resurgence for the Lib Dems. There is no hope of stopping the Tories (which I’m not too worried about), but it’d be good to have a strong Lib Dem side keeping Brexit to a sensible level. Lib Dems need to get the kids voting as has been said above.

[Jason]

I wouldn’t worry about trying to decipher the pseudo-intellectual cryptic clues. I don’t think anyone else is.

[The VFM Addict]

There’s an awful lot of youngsters that would never trust the Lib-Dems ever again after the Tuition Fees sell-out

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[Robin Long]

True but then up here the SNP created a massive PFI School fiasco, I’d edge my bet any party that states no more PFI will get some extra votes

 

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[Jason]

If we assume that university students have a modicum of intelligence, I think we must also assume that they realise the Lib Dems didn’t really sell them out. The ‘sell-out’ is something repeated ad infinitum by right-wing mouthpieces, and it rang hollow from the start. The Lib Dems made a manifesto pledge seven years ago — seven years ago — and were by far the weaker “half” in an alliance. Clearly they had to let some parts of their manifesto go. Students with a modicum of intelligence will know this.

On the other hand, we’ve seen at least two Tory promises broken recently in nearly as many weeks — never mind seven years ago. We’ve seen the Tories raise tuition fees even further, and they’ve failed to put a cap on interest payments, which are now spiralling upwards in line with rising inflation. They’ve also sold a bulk of the loans to private companies.

We’ve also seen them pushing for grammar schools, making all new schools for-profit academies (except we’re not allowed to call it profit), and introducing for-profit universities, where those with the money can get a degree in two years, not three or four.

No, I think students are intelligent enough to know who the real enemy is.

[Richard]

Jason wrote:

I wouldn’t worry about trying to decipher the pseudo-intellectual cryptic clues. I don’t think anyone else is.

I take it your were trying to be pseudo clever or just snide. There was a spelling error in Whigs and I explained the reference to tax and waste.There was nothing intentionally cryptic at all. Try not to over complicate things, it makes life easier to live.

Borrowing money to spend on current expenditure so next time you have to borrow to pay the interest as well as  for the next round of current expenditure (beyond one’s means is not clever) it is stupid.

The PFI is not going well; lovely new schools in Scotland that fall down and in England hospitals and schools that cost a fortune just, e.g. to put up a sign or send in the rat catcher, so more wasted taxes.

I think that is nice and clear, though you may have other views.

[Ed P]

To be fair to the US they cannot wait the 2+ years before the UK is able to negotiate trade deals. The EU deal has been in the negotiating pipeline for a long time so I see the news of Trump’s ‘Betrayal’ as non-news, only an idiot or the Daily Wail Editor could think that the UK would get a US trade deal before the EU. :wacko:

[Richard]

Jason wrote:

If we assume that university students have a modicum of intelligence, I think we must also assume that they realise the Lib Dems didn’t really sell them out. The ‘sell-out’ is something repeated ad infinitum by right-wing mouthpieces, and it rang hollow from the start. The Lib Dems made a manifesto pledge seven years ago — seven years ago — and were by far the weaker “half” in an alliance. Clearly they had to let some parts of their manifesto go. Students with a modicum of intelligence will know this. On the other hand, we’ve seen at least two Tory promises broken recently in nearly as many weeks — never mind seven years ago. We’ve seen the Tories raise tuition fees even further, and they’ve failed to put a cap on interest payments, which are now spiralling upwards in line with rising inflation. They’ve also sold a bulk of the loans to private companies. We’ve also seen them pushing for grammar schools, making all new schools for-profit academies (except we’re not allowed to call it profit), and introducing for-profit universities, where those with the money can get a degree in two years, not three or four. No, I think students are intelligent enough to know who the real enemy is.

Seven years ago that would be about 2010 when the Whigs (also known as liberals perhaps because they are too liberal with weak promises) were trying to get into power without knowing that the money had been spent by the previous shower, so there was nothing to fund unlimited gifts and they lost out.

How many of the students got a degree only to flip burgers as the degree did not fit them to do what employers needed. Even the NHS funded bursary placements for students who then spent years trying to find work in, the NHS before finding a role as my eldest daughter had to do.

Why no emphasis on technical skills such as is the way in Germany – this has been the real issue for too many years which is why very late in the day efforts are being made to try to set up apprentice training. Sadly such training has been so discredited that many kids believe it means pushing a broom on minimum wage, sadly for too many it was that bad. At least a few on here have relations who have benefited from what sounds like good technical training and development of the form that the country needs and they benefit from

Still trenches have been dug on these and many other issues so perhaps it is time to draw this exchange of fire to a close and move onto more rewarding and less intelligence insulting matters.

[Jason]

Richard wrote:

There was a spelling error in Whigs and I explained the reference to tax and waste.

Lol. Okay. First rule of good writing: be clear. If you’re not, expect people to ask why.

[The Duke]

I’m not a big tory fan, but I respect they don’t try to be something they are not, also i personally cut them some slack cos of the state labour left the finances.

Yes, it’s not labours fault, it could be argues they was a contributer, to the western world economy crash. but they didn’t put themselves in a great place buy spending way beyond their means when we was in a good position with the war debt finally being paid up, and being in the middle, no start  of a  boom, and riding it for 10 years.

If you paying out more and more, selling off hospitals, (in indirect ways), selling off the gold at the best possible time (not) , loosening regulation on finance plus more I can’t remember now, it’s all got to be accounted for eventually. Everything always does.

Also the mess with the war ships, Chinock software, jet orders, and not to mention at least one illegal war!

As to the lib dems, they did screw the students,  they promised cheaper or free (can’t recall now) higher ed, they basically ran their campaign aimed at the kids. Iirc that year was one of the biggest young adult turnouts to date, or for a long time. LD was promising crap as they didn’t think they had a hope in hell. [Very much like the bexitiers, thst had no power on future policy making, but kept promising and strung absolute BS, then disappeared once it was over]

They didn’t have to go in a tory Co lab, they could of said, “our principals don’t align, we just can do it”,they would of been respect ted, and be twice the party today, if not more, they could be no2, but no they seen power, at least a sniff of it, and couldn’t resist.

As they say power corrupts all, and that is exactly what happened. screw the kids that actually got me in this position, I’ll take the power, they must of thought.

As you say it was 7 years ago, but they ran on an almost single issue, and burnt them that came out in support.

But sadly as you say, they all do it, no one can actually be trusted. Everyone of them turn into a wheasle eventually.   that to me says the job is actually a lot harder than we give them credit for. It’s all about compromising, and trying to please the majority. Meaning, your going to annoy some of the people all of the time. At some point or another your going to pee off evey single personin the land.  You just have to hope you have enough brownie points built up in advance.

I just have issue with how fast Clegg and his friend  turned at the first sniff of (faux) power. They didn’t have brownie points in the bank, as they had never been in a position to build them. They swang and missed on day one.

[Dave Rice]

I think the LD did go into coalition with the best of intentions, we really did need some stability at the time. However they were very naive. the fees U-turn and the proportional representation referendum were the biggest. That’s why I’m pretty sure there will be no coalitions this time, the junior partner always comes off worse. But that hasn’t stopped the Tories raising the SNP Labour bogeyman as it worked so well last time. This time though it seems to be falling on deaf ears.

And no Labour didn’t cause the crash and IIRC the Tories were calling for even less regulation on the Finance world before it all went pear shaped.

Been watching Labour spouting the same old crap all day and TM squirming and not answering the “will you raise taxes” question. Boris has been very quiet, I wonder why? If I hear another UKipper mention feet and fire in the same sentence I’ll scream  :wacko:

[The Duke]

The tories did want more deregulation, bit labour secured it. And never paid enough money to recruit people with enough nous to police it.

The FAA had no idea what the banks was upto, as it was to complex, all the people that understood what was going on and how it worked was being paid mega bucks, the ‘police’ peanuts. So they just took the word of the banks all was good.

Probably some back handers in their too no doubt

Anyhow, this is totally off topic and is a rabbit hole of of its own.

I just don’t like the old “new labour”, nothing socialist about it, and as far as I could see, they dint really help the workers out either. Agencies and zero hour contracts to. Another rabbit hole lol.

As much as ive hated on labour and LD, I won’t be working Tory. I see one of May’s PR heads has left today. You know it’s bad when the spindoctors cant even make for lies look good.

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