General Election

[Dave Rice]

I’m sick to death of it already.

It’s all a pack of lies, all of it from all parties. You cannot trust a single word any of them say. What they say today, even if they mean it today, can change tomorrow under the flimsiest of pretexts no matter how “reluctantly” they do it. The current “on message” crap is why TV debates are irrelevant just because TM won’t join in. Wait for that to change when she inevitably does.

Let’s see what complete load of bollocks gets written on the battle buses this time  :negative:

[Bob Williams]

+1 to all that Dave.

I wonder what will happen when the next generation of voters reach the point where events have deteriorated enough for them to decide they have no alternative but to do something about it all. When the major party of opposition is so divided amongst themselves that they cannot provide a realistic plan, and the Union appears to be fragmenting, I really fear for the future.

It is entirely possible that this election will result in a Tory landslide and further austerity. I think UKIP will be buried, Labour already has several MP’s who will not stand. The only serious Opposition could well turn out to be a mix of SNP and Liberal democrats. The Mother of Parliaments has become a pantomime.

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[Anonymous]

My hopes:

Conservative – Lib Dem coalition! 😛

I’m excited for it. We’ve seen with polling that Brexit has won over more people, so now it’s about 55% want Brexit. Labour are in a mess, as they don’t have a clear in or out on Brexit, though Corbyn is for it.

I think Lib Dems will gain a good number of seats with a strong and clear anti-Brexit (or at least anti-hard Brexit) message, which will gain them a good number of seats.

I seriously hope that SNP lose a good number of seats so this talk of independence is put to bed for a good while

 

[Ed P]

I will vote Lib Dem as a protest. Imo this election is just pure political chicanery by May at the public’s expense. If enough young voters used their ballot and voted the same way it could actually change the face of British politics for the good. I just hope that someone stirs up the social media and points out to the young that they can have a bloodless revolution.

[The Duke]

Just listening to the normal labour a vote for us is a vote for more investment blar blar blar….

If he want any success, he needs to turn it into a second referendum. Come out an say, “labour never wanted to leave, this far they have gone along with leave, to show unity to the country as they seen it as a full gone confusion, BUT now, Mrs May has given us light, given us a way, to take back what the country wants…..” something along them lines.

Christ if he was to win, he could pretend to try and fail, if he Healey wants to leave.

But I think the only chance labour has is to go all out referendum part 2.

 

Update. As ed says get the kids involved, they could have the majority of the young behind them, as the young vote was very pro EU.

[Robin Long]

My vote is pointless, the SNP have dug their feet in with their one and only manifesto pledge – independence. In the locals I’ll vote Labour our candidate has done a good job since the SNP threw there toys out the pram when Sturgeon’s daddy failed to get elected.  In the general election though I’m more or less forced to vote  Conservative.  I don’t like/trust Corbyn and I disagree with a number of his policys A vote for the Greens is a vote for the SNP and its unlikly that any candidate will shift the SNP anyway.

But I will vote! – so as i have a right to moan on FB and here!

 

Cheers Knight,

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[Bob Williams]

My gt-nephew in the Frozen North (way up past Aberdeen) is a Northern Scot born and bred, and very patriotic. He tells me that he and his mates are sick and tired of Sturgeon’s ranting. He voted to leave in the first Scots referendum, but now he has changed his mind, and says that many more have done the same. They are worried about the amount of money that the SNP want to spend, against the amount that they would collect in taxes. As he followed his dad into the oil industry supply business, and has his own company, he has a finger on the pulse of Scottish business. He says that many major oil companies are worried about possible Scottish Independence, and this is filtering down.

I believe that another Scottish Independence vote would result in an increase of No voters. Where would Tartan Knickers go then?

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[Spedley]

This was floating around on Facebook today (regarding a snap election).

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[Robin Long]

Bob, he right support for the Independence idea has dropped, not that she’s listened. The trouble is that support for the SNP has not.  Business is scared and rightly so Independence = high speed brexit, lack of  a currency won’t help matters. That said I believe that the SNP will be safe from any actual tory threat, there is also talk of the SNP loosing seats to Lib Dems which could be interesting down at Westminster.

Cheers Knight,

RIP Spike09 Your Missed
If I'm not here, I'm there.

Finally joined Twitter! longr79

[Bob Williams]

That’s interesting Knight: I have now met all local candidates and have liked our local LibDem National candidate and the Labour candidate for Council election in our revamped, redrawn local Council area. I have decided to vote for them both, I cannot stand our local MP, she is the ex-barrister who drew up the legalese behind the Investigatory Powers Act. She also totally ignored the hundreds of “VOTE LEAVE” signs scattered around Lincolnshire and advised her constituents in East Lindsey to vote Remain. Finger not on the pulse, hands not on the wheel! East Lindsey returned one of the highest proportions of Leave votes in the UK. Not counting my Remain vote, but with SWMBO’s Leave vote.

Having met them all, and thoroughly dissected the arguments and blind racism of the BNP moron, I have to say that I cannot vote for another dose of dishonest Tory shenanigans, nor can I vote for the Party led by a man who has no idea that stands up to actual economic scrutiny. However, I can vote Labour Local, when the candidate tells me that she and many younger Labour supporters want JC gone.

I always say that a vote for Scottish matters, is a vote that concerns the people of Scotland and no one else. Having Scots family and friends makes me believe that. But I can’t believe that the Sturgeon Effect will last much longer.

I really enjoyed tearing down the BNP guy, who inevitably resorted to foul language. Fascist Dimwits are much easier to cope with, than ordinary dimwits!

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Bob Williams]

Spedley wrote:

This was floating around on Facebook today (regarding a snap election). <iframe src=”https://www.youtube.com/embed/AVxu6DbFlgc?start=30&feature=oembed&#8221; width=”640″ height=”360″ frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen=”allowfullscreen”></iframe>

 

Stability no longer an issue then, Teresa? Just how unstable are things going to get?

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Robin Long]

Basically in North Ayrshire, for many years it was Labour, in fact only in 2015 did N. Ayrshire really fall to the SNP.  It’s trends tend to fallow that of Glasgow (a good number of weegies moved here during slum clearances).  The LOCAL SNP lot seemed to be doing ok for a period of time but after one of their own got elected to MSP last year a by-election caused problems when Labour managed to sneek past ‘Robin Sturgeon'(See Nicola),  Joan (again see Nicola!) and the Rest of the SNP quit.

They appear on the surface to be a profile party, whilst its high they want to be every where but when it goes against them they are nowhere to be seen but can be found hiding behind there keyboards claiming its all the fault of Westminster. They’ve let Scotland down on Education, Healthcare and the Economy, each time blaming Westminster despite having total control of health and education and being able to alter the income tax rate.

As I said I’ve seen the Labour Guy a few times mostly in the news, one of the most recent appearances in the press was the SNP attacking him for choosing the Local Schools Award’s Night over a Jolly to Northern Ireland for an Awards Dinner.

Despite this I already see the yellow posters appearing but so far none for  labour, I suspect if I see a tory one I might be up for an award from Crime stoppers! As for the Lib – Dem’s I don’t even have a candidate for the locals!!  That said Ardrossan and Arran appears to have a “No Referendum, Maintain Union, Pro-Brexit ” party, they also have a Tory candidate, I wonder if they are having a spot the difference contest?

Cheers Knight,

RIP Spike09 Your Missed
If I'm not here, I'm there.

Finally joined Twitter! longr79

[Jason]

Well, the Lib Dems are seeing quite the resurgence — huge sign-ups to the party, together with swelling coffers for the campaign. And interestingly, most of the seats they lost last time were to the Tories, and it’s looking quite likely they could get at least half of them back. My bet is they’ll go from the current 8 seats to 30+.

If that happens, and Labour just about hold station, we could be heading for a Con-Lib coalition, which would be the dream outcome for me. So just shut up and give me the ballot paper. In fact, I’m going to sign up.

Or is this May’s plan? Is this what she’s hoping for, so she’s got an excuse to backslide and go for a soft Brexit? I doubt it, as the woman’s power mad, but you never can tell. She’s as oily as a riverboat gambler.

[Richard]

There will be no ‘soft’ anything. The EU have signed up for ‘your done roll over and take what we demand’, note demand not give. It is best to walk away from the squabble and leave them fuming, there is no other option either now or in < 2 years time. The fox is shot.

It is time to move on.

[Ed P]

The FT does not support your view Richard, and neither does the EU parliament, so some of us, like Jason, can still dream.

However lets leave that argument until the Election is over as it would need young voters to come out and exercise their democratic rights in the same proportions as the over 60s. An unlikely situation unless there is a paradigm shift or wealthy city backers decide to give the young a nudge, and the editor of the Daily Wail gets sacked. (The owner of the Daily Wail , Lord Rothermere remains fervently pro-European).

[Jason]

I don’t understand the sentiment that there will be no soft anything. I’m not sure where such a view would come from, unless it’s from an ardent hard-Brexit position that attempts to shut down any dissent. The negotiations have only just begun, and it’s by no means game over for holding on to the single market, customs union, and so on. What May says and what May does are two very different things, as we well know. In my opinion, it’s all to play for, and a Con-Lib alliance would definitely soften things up.

[Richard]

Have none of you read the trash talk coming out of Brussels? If that is not a route map for the most unpleasant exist I would rather not know what is.

Read their ultimatums and weep.

Sadly too many of the young cannot read, write or add up enough to get work, what use is a vote to them if they do not understand what it all means? After all they only want ‘experiences’ and to hell with the future.

The Wigs  have never come up with anything remotely sensible since around the First World War and their leader, if he can be called that, is unlikely to find one any time soon, they are just another branch of the TAWS.

 

 

 

[Jason]

Genesis, Abacab, track 9.

[Dave Rice]

You can take away whatever you like from what the members of any Parliament say. Nigel Farage is an MEP and his views on the matter will be radically different from other MEPs. Get a certain sort of politician in front of a microphone and anything can happen (Boris).

It seems you can also take away whatever you like from what the May government say (or don’t). Some say we’re headed for a hard Brexit, others say it’ll be no Brexit at all and their “feet must be held to the fire”.

Breaking news about our special relationship with the USA. It seems the EU will get their trade deal before the UK. Here’s the link to the Mail Online in case anyone thinks it’s a Gruniad story. Trump seems to be hitting the reality of the world and becoming a pragmatist.

General Elections take on a life of their own. This one is supposed to be about Brexit, who knows what it’ll end up being about. Let’s wait for the manifestos, that’ll drag up all sorts of crap.

[JayCeeDee]

Richard wrote:

The Wigs have never come up with anything remotely sensible since around the First World War and their leader, if he can be called that, is unlikely to find one any time soon, they are just another branch of the TAWS.

 

That took a lot more attempts than usual to pry the substance of the above, Richard. I realise by the Wigs, you meant Whigs – ie very early Liberals, but even Google let me down on the secret acronym TAWS – other than Terrain Awareness ( Avoidance ) Warning System!! :scratch:

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