Do we still build, is this the right place?

[Rob]

Thanks both,

Believed this was the case, some mags mention a particular item but don’t do the comparison tests.

I shall root around the net.

Rob

 

PC1512 shipped with 512K of RAM 8 MHz Intel 8086Two 5.25" floppy drives Colour Monitor with CGA display extra 640×200 16 colour mode MS-DOS 3.2 and Digital Research DOS Plus Cost £1049.

[Bartinili]

well i might have to move to barrow, so perhaps i will consider deeper the cost vs shiny aspects of each set of components.

The old and wretched E4500 2.2 with a GTX750Ti
Macbook Pro 2015 (i am a grown up now -.- ), Travelmate 8371G
IPad Mini 2, Asus Nexus 2012

[The Duke]

@rockonbazza I seen you was pointed to this thread and I know of a good video highlighting the diminishing returns on ram and where it hits a brick wall, I’m higher end software . It’s a bit old but I think little has changed on the 2 years.

The basic answer to your gaming related question is, the game recommended ram amount is all you’ll need.

Here the video as it’s not quite what you was asking for but it’s findings are interesting non the less.

 

 

[Bartinili]

Ok so just like 10 years ago, my budget is swelling as I read and watch more reviews

current list:

g4620:   Seen a few benchmarks and reviews that suggest it’s an i3 6100 update but cheaper. Coolers, arctic freezer pro still the standard?

mobo, who wants to point out z270 and z170 differences? Asus prime boards are taking my fancy, and I’m not against a simple base frequency (what i presume once was called FSB) overclock.

memory will likely be corsair of some permutation

Graphics, now I’m not saying I will upgrade from the 750ti but… what would be the 8800gt equivelant? Or what would be a good match for the g4620 on games like GTA v and the like?

 

 

 

The old and wretched E4500 2.2 with a GTX750Ti
Macbook Pro 2015 (i am a grown up now -.- ), Travelmate 8371G
IPad Mini 2, Asus Nexus 2012

[rockonbazza]

@sgb101 – thanks for the reply, and also for the link to this forum. I think he will get an 8gb stick to make it 12gb total. One further query, in the mobo manual regarding System memory it states :

“You may install varying sizes in channel A or B.The system maps the total size of the lower-sized channel for the dual-channel configuration. Any excess memory from the higher-sized channel is them mapped to the single channel operation”

What, exactly, does the second sentence mean? Does it mean it will use the 4gb first, and then if needed use the 8gb?

Thanks

[The Duke]

If you have 4gb in A and say 8gb in B , your system would . It would only use 4Gb of a as 4gb of be in dual channel mode , and the remaing 4gb would be used as single channel.

Just put the biggest module you have in slot A then you would get the full 12 in dual channel.

I didn’t even know that was a thing tbh . But either way simgle dual or triple channel mode, doesn’t really have that much effect anyhow. You would have to be really pushing a rig hard, massive video editing etc for the channel type of the ram to ever be a limiting factor.

[The Duke]

@bartinili I’m not sure what level the gt8800 was, I recall having a 8900 when it was had for about 70, and it was still working on decent game at 800×400 every well.

For gta5 I can play mid settings across the board at 1080p at around 65fps (iirc) on my gtx970 .

You don’t need to be pushing for gta5 high settings as there is little between med and high, bit a big gulf between low and med.

[Dave Rice]

Bart, you’re falling into the same old traps.

Unless you want multiple 16 lane graphics card slots or are buying a K processor to overclock then you do not need anything above entry level these days.

Even the meanest H110 boards have 4 x SATA 6 and USB 3. DDR4 isn’t much of an improvement over DDR3, in fact in some circumstances it’s worse.

The G4620 is a Pentium, so dual core and no hyper threading. The i3 is a dual core with hyper threading so it can deal with 4 threads at once. So the G is not an update of an i3 it’s the model down. That’s why it’s cheaper.

[Bartinili]

you may want to check your assumption on the G4620 not having hyper threading,

http://ark.intel.com/products/97460/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4620-3M-Cache-3_70-GHz

oh whats that you say? is it “GOOD GRAVY they do a 3.5 ghz version with HT for 64 quid, :O”

https://ark.intel.com/products/97143/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4560-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz

and lest we forget the mocking i took when i said i wanted a dual x16 capability because i would down the road consider a dual card setup? and what did i do 3 and a half years post build, buy a matching 8800GT for pennies (ahem cough cough, they both died about 3 years later and now I’m on a 750ti)

All the jesting aside, whilst not multiplier overclocked I’ve been researching and seen a number of articles and benchmarks with frequency OC. From what I gather this is similar to whacking up the FSB on boards of old like i did with the e4500 on my outrageous asus 680i chipsetted board. When done with some Sky and Kaby pentiums and i3s it seems to give some very MINTY fresh results.

The old and wretched E4500 2.2 with a GTX750Ti
Macbook Pro 2015 (i am a grown up now -.- ), Travelmate 8371G
IPad Mini 2, Asus Nexus 2012

[Dave Rice]

Well, well, well. I eat my hat.

I do wish Intel would stop dicking with their product definitions.

At least they had the grace to put a K after unlocked Pentium they released.

They usually go the other way around with the S-O-C systems that were Atoms now being called Celerons.

Not sure about £64 though, they are £93 on E-Buyer and Scan but that’s still a £30 saving.

[Boris]

That £64 quoted is for the G4560 (£64.99 from Scan (pre-order))

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-pentium-g4560-s-1151-kaby-lake-dual-core-4-thread-35ghz-3mb-cache-1050mhz-gpu-54w-cpu-box

Never trust an atom - they make up everything !

[The Duke]

A couple of days ago I seen a review of the new pentium K and it can hit a rock solid  5ghz on air  very easily. So is a very nice CPU indeed.

 

The review was on LTT yt channel and they was matching it against a real quad core to see if you could game on 2 physical cores (with HT) as the current trend is you Need 4 Cores. The pentium K held its own very well.

[rockonbazza]

One final query. I remember from years back, I was advised to have the same size sticks in the slots i.e. 2 x 4gb, 2 x 8gb  etc – whereas I was thinking of having a 4gb and 8gb. Does it matter nowadays if they are not the same size?

Thanks

 

[Dave Rice]

It’ll work but not in dual channel.

Not that I think you’ll notice the difference.

[rockonbazza]

Sorry, Dave – I am being a bit thick, but I didnt really understand your reply above – can you elaborate – apols.

 

[Dave Rice]

One thing the motherboard can do with two identical memory sticks is increase the bandwidth available – hence the name dual channel.

That’s why the advice was to have two identical sticks.

However in practice this increase just isn’t noticeable. Back in the day when Slippy was doing encoding benchmark comparisons it didn’t even make 1 fps increase.

In your case I don’t think 12GB of ram will be any better than 8GB, so I’d just buy another 4GB stick, put it in the free slot and not worry about it.

[rockonbazza]

Thanks. I have ordered a 4gb stick. I notice on CPU-Z his 2400MHZ ram runs at 2133MHZ, which is the motherboard limit. Motherboard is an ASUS H110M-R. Mobo supports XMP. If I were to change to the 2400mhz profile xmp in bios, would the RAM then run at 2400mhz or is the limit 2133? (and would it cause any issues to mobo?) Plus would I see much difference in FPS when gaming if it did go up to 2400mhz?

[Dave Rice]

You won’t notice a thing even if you dropped the speed down to the one below.

[Spedley]

Someone was asking me for advice on building a system for photo/image editing.  Her budget of £800 is good but difficult.  You could spend that alone on a decent screen.  My advice is to buy a quality screen and a basic PC with a TB hard drive and Windows licence.

Then (and my point is) add a 120GB SSD for the O/S yourself, upgrade the components over time until you have a decent system and then keep it up to date.  That is the point of building your own system, upgrading and not trying to save a few quid.

 

i7 4790s / 8GB / 480GB SSD / GTX 980 / 34" UltraWide : i3 4170 / 8GB / 480GB SSD / GTX 770 / 24" Samsung : i3 4130 / 8GB / 500GB Spinner / GTX 1050 / 23" Acer : Q9550 / 8GB / 1TB Spinner / GTX 580 / 22" Acer : i7 720QM / 8GB / 1TB+2TB+500GB Spinners (server) : i5 4570 / 8GB / 60GB SSD / 1TB / GeForce 210 / 22" Dell It's getting warm in here!

[rockonbazza]

My motherboard is a Gigabyte 970A-DS3P, currently with an R9 270 graphics card. Friend of mine is selling a ZOTAC AMP EXTREME GTX  970, at a good price. Will it fit/work with my motherboard ok?

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