Brexit Promises

[Ed P]

CNN have made a check list of Brexit promises link.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out at the end of negotiations, and long term score keeping might be a good idea.

One area that CNN touched on are the ‘Divorce’ liabilities – I’m not going to get into an argument about the scale or validity of these liabilities, but any liability must be balanced by assets and I have not got a clue what assets outside the UK could be deemed ‘British’. I do not even know what assets belong to the EU!

[Richard]

Ed P wrote:

CNN have made a check list of Brexit promises link. It will be interesting to see how this pans out at the end of negotiations, and long term score keeping might be a good idea. One area that CNN touched on are the ‘Divorce’ liabilities – I’m not going to get into an argument about the scale or validity of these liabilities, but any liability must be balanced by assets and I have not got a clue what assets outside the UK could be deemed ‘British’. I do not even know what assets belong to the EU!

You are in good company, the EU has no idea and for good measure has always appeared to have no idea of what accounting means either. Mind you the phony war has brought out the best(?), while we are ‘not allowed to hint, let alone threaten any reaction’, the dogs of continental fury in the EU have been well and truly unleashed in a flurry of mindless silliness, e.g today’s folly over Gibraltar. Perhaps the UK might like to suggest that direct UK Spain holiday air routes are closed and that all holiday makers wishing to go to Spain should go via Gibraltar?

It is April the first after all!

Oh and best not to go to the land of the slaves (USA) as there your internet history will be up for public auction to the highest bidder, oh joy.

[Bob Williams]

Apart from the usual “I Told You So”, I can only say that there has been a flurry of temporary good news. When it has all gone completely TU, I will return to that statement. I seriously fear for my grandchildren’s future when the brown stuff finally reaches the rotating object.

Lies, damned lies, and government statistics.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Ed P]

Thinking further – I guess some of those ‘assets’ are the pensionable part of any employee working for the EU during Britains membership. That bit at least should be a fairly straightforward bit of arithmetic as every pension plan has to publish its assumptions in order to calculate the funds health.

For the rest I remain ignorant as unless we continue membership of things like scientific research programs we should only pay for those items giving the UK a tangible asset/benefit. I can see the ‘Divorce’ taking a lot of the two years!

It will be in everyone’s interest to then move directly to ‘temporary arrangements’ with associated temporary agreed charges until long term trade agreements can be sorted out. (A further five years minimum imo). I can see my having a lot of schednfraude watching Davis and co wriggle their way out of that situation!

[Louis]

I can’t see any schadenfreude to be had. They will fuck it up, and it is not them that will be dropped in shit, it is all of us, the populace at large. I really, really hope I’m wrong, but I cannot see how Brexit is anything but a complete disaster for us and every generation to come.

[Bob Williams]

We are ruled by people who have two simple aims:

1 – once elected, myour main objective will be ensuring that you remain in power after the next election.

2 – if (1) does not work, ensure that you have applied enough effort into making the contacts that will supply you with another career. Or Careers. Or anything that will keep you in a suitable remuneration, whilst also retaining a healthy pension.

This whole situation is further complicated by an Opposition that refuses to deal with 20th Century issues, never mind the 21st Century.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Jason]

It’s the will of the people! It’s democracy! 52% can’t be wrong!

[Bob Williams]

Jason wrote:

It’s the will of the people! It’s democracy! 52% can’t be wrong!

 

Depends on your interpretation and definition of “wrong” Jason! IMHO, a large proportion of the citizenry of this country struggle to read and interpret information correctly. Which brings the result of their decision-making into question. Another large proportion do not vote, “Because it makes no difference.” People I know cba’d to walk down the road 150 yards and use their democratic option. They then complain about the decisions made by a government whose election was unopposed by them.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Ed P]

I know a couple of seemingly well educated people in Manchester who think that restricting immigration applies to ALL immigrants going way back to the time of the  ‘Uganda Asians’! There was a worrying racist undertone to a significant portion of the Brexit vote.

[The Duke]

It’s funny as immigration will likely rise.

A large potion of the voters was under the impression that the Indians, Iraq and Syrians would be stopped. I don’t think they realise no of them countries are in the EU.

Anyhow, i see the Spanish want to use a Scotland veto as negotiation tool to  get us to give them control of Gib. Ie give us gib and we will veto Scotlands re entry into the EU, making them more likely to say in G Britain.

[Jason]

I thought my view on Brexit was well-known, so I figured no wink or other signpost of humour was required. For the record, my post was satirical.

I withdrew from debate on the matter some months past.

[Alan Wood]

Sorry Jason but yes they can. Adolf Hitler was voted into power by a majority so a majority is no guarantee of being right.

[Richard]

Jason wrote:

I thought my view on Brexit was well-known, so I figured no wink or other signpost of humour was required. For the record, my post was satirical. I withdrew from debate on the matter some months past.

Which vote were you commenting on the one that took us into something different, the EEC or the one that takes us out of the political empire?

[Jason]

Alan Wood wrote:

Sorry Jason but yes they can. Adolf Hitler was voted into power by a majority so a majority is no guarantee of being right.

Please see my previous post.

[Bob Williams]

Please, FFS, let us not descend into this Brexit Slough of Despond again.

Jason, I apologise if my comment seemed to ignore the tongue in your cheek.

Has anyone seen the report of a 17 yo Kurdish Asylum seeker being kicked to pieces and badly injured in Croydon today?  At least 20 people involved in this terrible crime. There are so many sites now that are involved in what they see as “Patriotism” but which is complete racist xenophobia. If these violent idiots only knew it, the boy is from a Middle Eastern people who oppose Assad and the Turks.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Richard]

Bob Williams wrote:

Please, FFS, let us not descend into this Brexit Slough of Despond again. Jason, I apologise if my comment seemed to ignore the tongue in your cheek. Has anyone seen the report of a 17 yo Kurdish Asylum seeker being kicked to pieces and badly injured in Croydon today? At least 20 people involved in this terrible crime. There are so many sites now that are involved in what they see as “Patriotism” but which is complete racist xenophobia. If these violent idiots only knew it, the boy is from a Middle Eastern people who oppose Assad and the Turks.

Bob, I totally agree your sentiments. Sadly these yobs who carried out the attack were some of the drunken local thickos who were looking for someone to assault. The area is not famous for currently only having the brightest hopes for the future and this lot showed their true potential, none.

I will not go out in the evening without a car to get there and back. Even then I will not visit some areas because I simply do not trust the ‘locals’. I am not sure this lot were bright enough to be called racists, I fear they are just a bunch of local Dutch Courage trash for whom any excuse at closing time would give them a reason to show their true colours.

Sadly the current press climate give them the name and their sought notoriety. I saw a few had been arrested, no doubt what passes for justice will see them back out again after tea and biscuits. A damned good kicking would be less than they should get.

Remember the area is close to where several south London crime families left their calling cards, it was grim and going down hill in the late 50s early 60s, it has not improved. It also spawned the Steven Lawrence investigation fiasco of a few years back.

[Richard]

There was another death on Saturday morning after a night club altercation outside a night club in Wales, I wonder what angle can be put on that murder? Sadly there is something bad about too many of the younger population but even more sadly it was ever thus.

[Ed P]

Not quite the same Richard, The number of homicides is roughly 20% higher, 2010s versus 1960s. (Government stats).

The ‘why’ is probably a bigger question as National Service was pretty much already over in the 1960s, so that hoary reason cannot be used. Booze is probably cheaper and stronger than it was back then, so that may be a factor. That said, most murders, both then and now are family affairs.

Unfortunately Government stats do not allow you to delve too far into the details to be able to draw meaningful comparisons for young adult crime.

[Anonymous]

Bob Williams wrote:

Jason wrote:

It’s the will of the people! It’s democracy! 52% can’t be wrong!

Depends on your interpretation and definition of “wrong” Jason! IMHO, a large proportion of the citizenry of this country struggle to read and interpret information correctly. Which brings the result of their decision-making into question. Another large proportion do not vote, “Because it makes no difference.” People I know cba’d to walk down the road 150 yards and use their democratic option. They then complain about the decisions made by a government whose election was unopposed by them.

 

Democracy is far too important to leave to the masses who tend to vote the ‘wrong’ way.
And BREXIT is proof of that.
A benign dictatorship is the way forward.

Oh no………………… that’s just like the EU.

 

 

[Jason]

Looks like I’m still being quoted out-of-context…

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