Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Ed P]

Brexit cretins have turned their backs during the EU National Anthem. Perhaps someone should point out to these NF idiots that is a REALLY GREAT way to start any negotiations!.

[JayCeeDee]

Ed P wrote:

Brexit cretins have turned their backs during the EU National Anthem. Perhaps someone should point out to these NF idiots that is a REALLY GREAT way to start any negotiations!.

They’re making the basic mistake of confusing free will/democratic freedom of expression with imagined power!!

Politics Live couldn’t get hold of the female Rees-Mogg for an interview today – I said to the wife that maybe she had her back to the camera as well!!

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

I have been quiet for a while on this because nothing of interest to me has happened. Now though I wish to point out to the arch remoaner MP’s that crippling the government budget is no way to bring about the leave disaster you predicted. People will just blame you when they don’t get their money.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

From the poorest single mother to the richest pensioner, they all have a remarkable way of finding out who stopped their cash !

[Ed P]

The Chancellor has the benefit of a lot of staff and a program simulating the UK economy. I think I would trust him rather than BoJo and a man whose initials should be JC rather than JH., both of whom are trying to bribe their way into the top job with buckets of cash none of which came from their pockets or suffering!

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

The leftwing tits of the LSE had all the facts in the 1970’s. They chose to ignore them and successive governments chose to listen. More fool them but stop it now.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Only art historians and social scientest’s are more useless than the LSE

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Or if you are familiar with the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy they are on the same level as telephone sanitisers ?

[Ed P]

To the best of my knowledge the Treasury model is an in-house model and has nothing to do with LSE. If they rely on input from anywhere I would guess that the business schools of London and OxBridge plays the biggest roles. At least that was the situation in the 1970s and 1980s. (London Business School has no direct connection to LSE)

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

To the best of my knowlage that just aint true. Until we got Mrs T our leaders swallowed the LSE rubbish hook line and sinker

[Ed P]

I think that you may be mixing up economic theories with institutes of learning. I’ll accept that the ruling theory in the 70s and 80s was Keynesian, this then gave way to the now discredited pure monetarism of the Thatcherite period, and then gave way to the post-Keynesian theory in vogue used by Brown’s disastrous ‘Light Touch’ in which economies were grown by circulating money without too many constraints. The financial crisis changed all that and opened an era of international cooperation – work together or sink together seemed to be the watch word. The US seemed to be heading back towards a New Keynesian model in which US growth would drive the world economy – Trump appears to have sunk all that as well as any international cooperation.

[edit] I should perhaps have explained that ‘New Keynesiasm’ tries to comprehend that people are not rational and that financial crashes can occur. It therefore differs in important ways from Classical Keynesiasm.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

I will accept that we are unlikely to agree on this ?

[The VFM Addict]

Ed P wrote:

Brexit cretins have turned their backs during the EU National Anthem. Perhaps someone should point out to these NF idiots that is a REALLY GREAT way to start any negotiations!.

Tell me, Ed, how would you prepare for negotiations with what are to all intents and purposes a new EU hierarchy of unelected, domestically rejected and criminally infected ‘officials’?

Please ALL read here and take what you read on-board about the new EU overloads.   This is how the EU is managed and frankly there was less connivance even in the old USSR.

 

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[Ed P]

I would learn some skills in diplomacy, and get Farage to publicly read the riot act to his loonies.

Even if the crazy hard Brexit comes to pass the UK will need to try and convince each of the 27 countries that the UK can be trusted and would make a good partner. Unless that is achieved you can forget any talk of rationality by the EU as any one country can throw a hissy fit and veto the trade deal. I do not think I have to draw pictures of what would follow from such a scenario.

[The VFM Addict]

Well if you think that Farage has a load of loonies , then here’s one reading the riot act to the EU.  Go, Annie, go, is what I say.

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[The VFM Addict]

I have tried to tell folks here what the EU really is.   I’ve have been berated often.  But perhaps, just perhaps folks will understand why I want out when a new UK Green Party MEP has arrived in Brussels and discovered for himself what a bigoted, political cesspit it is.     Read what he has to say here.

Then remember this.

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[dwynnehugh]

” …. bigoted, political cesspit it is …”

Unfortunately this comment is equally valid about HoP in London and probably just as true for Cardiff and Edinburgh as well.

At the end of the day, a person actually working in a real cesspit would come home smelling far sweeter and having done a far more useful day’s work to boot!! ?

The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

[Ed P]

Usual crap about democracy when we do not even have it in the UK!

In any case there has NEVER been a pure democracy that lasted more than five or six generations and even the leading Yanks think pure democracy sucks.  Any system where the idiot many out vote the knowledgable few has a fundamental flaw at its heart. If you find the word knowledgable unacceptable then you can substitute any of the areas where inter-personal antagonism/envy takes place for ‘knowledgable’ e.g. money, power etc.

The Spartans probably had the best system in which something had to be contributed (military service) to the State before being allowed to vote, but even that failed.

[The VFM Addict]

So we all agree then that the EU is no better than Westminster or vice versa.

One big difference of course is that we can kick out the crew in the HoC if we want but can’t the EU Overlords.     That does it for me.

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[Ed P]

The VFM Addict wrote:

So we all agree then that the EU is no better than Westminster or vice versa. One big difference of course is that we can kick out the crew in the HoC if we want but can’t the EU Overlords. That does it for me.

Not true:

“The Commission as a whole can be removed by a two-thirds ‘censure vote’ in the European Parliament.”

Admittedly We could not remove anyone, we would have to work with the other MEPs to remove the Commission then elect new ones. But that restriction on accountability applies ten-fold to our Civil Service where it is nigh on impossible to remove an incompetent person.

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