Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

What Brexit media is that then Dave? Even the Sun is saying we should take Mrs Mays deal as the lesser of two evils. So that leaves the Mail and who else ?

[Dave Rice]

Mrs May’s deal is Brexit. I understand hardline Brexiteers may not think it is, but it is.

VFM, I said once, in jest, that Brexiteers (the word didn’t exist then) were deluded i.e. believing something that is not true. I’m coming around to the reluctant conclusion that you truly are, reinforced by your tightening spiral of interpreting things you would like to see as reality. Just look at where Brexit is, it isn’t. Look at all your predictions, they didn’t happen.

I said once that you under estimate the silent reasonable people and you did. I said they would find their voice, you scorned that, they did find that voice and No Deal is no more, Brexit Day passed with us still in and likely to be for another 6 months+ and then probably another extension.

People are obsessed with the Euro elections. Farage will have his day on 23rd May, of that I have no doubt. It will achieve nothing but media excitement for an election that means absolutely nothing whatever the outcome of Brexit. If we stay Leavers will have their disruptors in there and Remain will have real MEPs to represent them, if we leave it didn’t matter.

Come the GE that I hope will ensue, the first past the post system will ensure that the two party system will prevail. It will probably be another hung Parliament but neither the Brexit Party nor Change will have enough seats (probably none) to effect a coalition or supply and confidence arrangement. That will probably come from the same place as the last one, outside of England. But turkeys rarely vote for Christmas so a GE seems unlikely.

Brexiteers carry on dreaming your dreams, there’s nothing wrong with that. Remainers will remember we are still in despite being told repeatedly we would be out (some said at any cost) and any exit is moving towards something we could live with.

So just WTF does “Brexit means Brexit” mean to anyone?

[Ed P]

Dave Rice wrote:

So just WTF does “Brexit means Brexit” mean to anyone?

No-one knows.

Last night’s 1922 Committee Meeting showed that even the hard-line Brexiteers did not know what they wanted and bottled doing anything. This whole Brexit shambles just keeps getting worse. We need another referendum to bring some clarity to everything.

[The Duke]

Yesterday was my first day off in a month, so I’m totally behind in brexit. I mean toattly out of the picture. I didn’t know of the brexit party or uk change (iirc) party. I dissent bother looking it up either. Far to large of a topic to be bothered cramming into the hour I had online.

Off again today, but got a shed load of paper work and running about to do. May have a read up later.

So are we leaving or not? It’s not a topic that ever comes up I’m my pub. If it ain’t got 4 legs it may well not exist.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Mrs Mays deal is NOT Brexit. If it were it would have been passed and we would have left on time £39 Billion the poorer.

So I ask again Dave, WHAT Brexit media ? A majority of people still just wan’t out inspite of the deafening cries from the BBC et all.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

If the Tory’s want to win the next election all they have to do is appoint Boris as leader, give him a couple of weeks to bang on about leave means leave, and then call a GE before he gets a chance to do anything.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

It really would be as good as a second referendum but without ignoring the will of the people in the first one.

[Ed P]

Politicians ignore their election manifestos or screw it up, so we get another chance to change our minds.

Referenda are really no different, especially one based on the stupid slogan ‘Brexit means Brexit’. Which actually meant the politicians did not have a clue, and the public did not really know what they were voting for.

[The VFM Addict]

Dave, your are simply incorrect.    When a Grandee of the Tory party, Ann Widdecombe,  loved by a HUGE number of Tory Members and Voters, leaves and joins the Brexit Party standing for it in an election the wind of change is perfectly clear.    Don’t worry though, keep telling me I’m imagining things if it makes you feel better………?

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[Ed P]

Annw Widdicombe is delusional if she thinks standing as an MEP will have any real impact on the actual Brexit process, all it will do is improve her pension if she gets in.

[The VFM Addict]

I see you are missing the point also, Ed.    This is now about building a new party which sooner or later will bring about a clean Brexit.    Listen to the new rhetoric.   It is nothing like the UKIP position of old.   It is developing a broad based party.   Just look at the type of candidates being revealed each day.

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[The VFM Addict]

This is the batch of Brexit Party candidates announced today:

• Louis Stedman Bryce, Investor and businessman.
• Lucy Harris,  Former fishmonger, opera singer, and Director of Leavers of Britain.
• Martin Daubney, Journalist and commentator, former editor of Loaded Magazine.
• James Wells, Former Head of Trade at the ONS. Wells resigned yesterday in order to stand for The Brexit Party.
• Elizabeth Babade, Nigerian born lawyer.
• Dr Henrik Overgaard-Nielsen, Chair of the General Dental Practice Committee. Danish born trade unionist and NHS dentist.
• Dr David Bull, Medical doctor and television presenter.

Such are a whole different calibre than UKIP candidates ever were.   Notice also that they come from both sides of the former political divide.

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[The Duke]

Some of the titles make me laugh.

I got a letter last week the name me, head of purchasing, and managing director (my name) of my business name Ltd.

Ive never felt more important. Shame if was from the epecy company.

 

My point is, don’t read to much into titles. Anyone that’s met me know I’m not what that title would have one believe. Even though offically I suppose I am.

[Bob Williams]

VFM wrote:

” Such are a whole different calibre than UKIP candidates ever were. Notice also that they come from both sides of the former political divide. ”

– As do the members of Change UK (TIG) which you scorned a few pages ago. It’s all in the eye of the Beholder I guess.

Steve, how’s the pub going? Don’t worry about being ‘behind’ on Brexit. We are all in that position, including those who we think should lead and advise us. Personally, I have lost interest and I suspect I am not alone. The only entertainment left is watching the political figureheads thrashing around trying to solve the insoluble situation that they created.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[The Duke]

Pubs going great, thanks for asking, we had a very successful Easter weekend, and an offical “opening” on the Sunday also.

Though the place has totally taken over my life.

[The VFM Addict]

Bob Williams wrote:

VFM wrote: ” Such are a whole different calibre than UKIP candidates ever were. Notice also that they come from both sides of the former political divide. ” – As do the members of Change UK (TIG) which you scorned a few pages ago. It’s all in the eye of the Beholder I guess. ………

LOL……. you are indeed out of touch as you most graciously admit, Bob.   ChangeUK have been having to deselect candidates hand over fist.   Yesterday, or was it the day before, they had to unceremoniously remove another, Joseph Russo, the CUK-TIG candidate for Scotland.   He had tweeted that “black women scare me” and that he was once “chased through Amsterdam by a crazy black whore.”   He also defended teacher relationships with students, appeared to defend a lower age of consent, and attacked Scottish Catholics as “loony”.    The latter not being wise given that he was looking to be an MEP for Scotland.     Me thinks that ChangeUK  are not really vetting candidates but are happy to take anyone who will enrol to part crew the Political Titanic that polling increasingly indicates they are.

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[Ed P]

During the period I was travelling a lot in China titles were important. CEO, COO, and President were about as low as you could go if you wanted to meet people capable of making decisions. Never did make an Asian President, but I had a raft of Chief this, Head/Director of that titles. My only President title was in Africa where it really did not mean much.

We used to ask the Mandarin speaking secretaries to come up with impressive sounding names and titles (with of course ‘lucky’ phone numbers to go with them! (Lots of 8’s and 9s some 2s in the right place but no 4s (death) – the Chinese pun their numbers to words like crazy)

As a result I agree with Steve, titles mean naff all. Most companies object like hell if their titles are used in a political context. I’ll place a small bet that the ONS guy is breaking his contract of employment and/or pension terms!

[The VFM Addict]

By chance, Ed, you touch on something I have some knowledge of when you talk of post employment restraints.    One often sees such clauses for example where one must not work for a competitor for x number of months after leaving.    Those restraints are almost always unenforceable and are usually when tested held to be unlawful.

However the post employment restraint you were suggesting had me truly ROFL.    The ONS is a government agency, not directly but as an agent of the government which in law is little different !!!   Surely, you knew that, Ed.   Any court would die laughing if a government agency or government agent attempted to force an individual who was standing for public office to conceal his CV from the electorate.     That really is too funny for words.   I trust when that dawns on you, Ed, you too will see the funny side of what you were suggesting.   ???

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[The VFM Addict]

For completeness regarding the above and to explain what I meant by an agent of government rather than a government agency, the ONS is the executive office of the UK Statistics Authority.   It is a non-ministerial department that whilst being independent of any current government is funded by the state and reports directly to parliament.   Its relationship to Parliament is similar to, for example, the Information Commissioners Office.   Not under the control of any minister but nonetheless obliged to report directly to parliament.

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[Ed P]

ONS by charter are non-political, I’ll bet that serving officers are barred from taking any political office and use of their good name in a political context would be frowned on even post retirement.

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