Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Ed P]

I’ll believe it when I see that result at a General Election.

[keith with the teef]

Well. This Brexit BS is getting to me. I almost hit melting point today listening to radio4.

 

[Dave Rice]

I’m voting Raving Loony this time, I could put an X in any box.

As many Tory party members as they like can cut up their cards, the more the merrier. I’ll provide the scissors. If Momentum would like to join in, even better.

[The Duke]

Churchill isn’t loved that much in Liverpool either.

[Bob Williams]

The Duke wrote:

Churchill isn’t loved that much in Liverpool either.

Why is that Steve? I know my dad and granddad both hated the man, for reasons connected with the 1910 Miners’ Strike and the 1921* and 1926 General Strikes. Dad told me that Churchill, acting as Secretary of State for War, had the Army fire on some strikers, but can’t remember which city dad talked about.

http://tinyurl.com/y6dj5dj6

That very long Wiki article about him, shows his many mistakes, some of which were critical. It also demonstrates his unshakeable belief in the British Empire and the British ruling class, at a time when both were being questioned and resisted by modernisers and the growth of the Labour Movement and the unions.

*You won’t find that mentioned anywhere, but dad always said that it was worse than ’26. Lots of strikers killed.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[The VFM Addict]

Could we be about to see for the first time ever in history the end of May before the end of April?

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[Ed P]

I dunno about the end of May but it looks like Bojo et al are going to lose the millions they have speculated on a Hard Brexit.  I also hope that they and Soros get stuffed with their probable speculations against the Pound.

[The VFM Addict]

Don’t follow you there, Ed.   Soros was driving hell for leather and spending big time to get us to Remain.   BoJo must be jumping for joy.   The No Deal block will push even more folks to back him for next Tory Leader.

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[Ed P]

You appear to be correct on Soros’ recent behaviour, but that wasn’t his earlier position.

Imo Bojo is unelectable – too many enemies, and the ‘conservative’ faction will have viewed his clownish, rude behaviour as Foreign Secretary to be unstatesman-like and disqualify him from the job.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Not so sure Ed. In recent decades  statesman like seems to equal just giving in. I think we may have had enough of that.

[The VFM Addict]

Ed, if the Parliamentary Tory party only put two Remain inclined choices to the Tory party their grassroots who are already starting to jump ship will vanish entirely.    So whoever are in the last two will be screaming their Brexit credentials as loud as possible.  Whether that’s BoJo is perhaps not that important therefore.   There will have to be one credible Brexiteer in the final two.    Can’t see anyone who had remained in May’s wimpish cabinet being that person.   The grassroots have had it with all of them unless one jumps ship pretty quick and does a number on her like Geoffrey Howe did on Thatcher.    Normally he who wields the knife never wears the crown but this time dynamics are different and s/he who has the guts to deliver the fatal thrust could well be seen as the one with the guts to play tough with the EU during the trade negotiations.     The way the German economy is going they won’t have the stomach for a tough fight.   Another genuinely shocking set of figures out today. Factory orders fell by 4.2% in February 2019 compared to January. That’s the sharpest drop in more than two years.   The expectation was a 0.3% increase !!!     New orders from the Euro area were down 2.9%, new orders from other countries decreased 7.9% compared to January 2019.   Carsten Brzeski the Chief Economist in Germany described the figures as “Devastating”.

It just shows how good for one’e economy being part of the EU is doesn’t it !!!!!

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[The Duke]

Same reason Bob, he threantent to turn the navel gun ships on the port of Liverpool in the 20s iirc. Thr was either sec of state or sea lord atm.

 

[Bob Williams]

You have that correct Steve, see the Wiki link:

http://tinyurl.com/y4dj22ub

1911, my dad would have been 7 years old, granddad 35 and as a founder member of the Independent Labour Party, he was probably involved in some way. An even better link to that time here, with the great Bessie Braddock:

http://tinyurl.com/y42c6g9w

How our ancestors fought in those days, for rights that are now being given up or gradually taken away!

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[The VFM Addict]

Yep, if you look at Churchill’s full background including crossing the house twice as well as the things he did when holding various offices of state he makes BoJo look like a Saint, truly.   He was in many ways even more self serving than Boris.    Perhaps most amazing was that he was booted out in 1945 after winning the war and then came back and won the election in 1951 to be PM for another 4 year stint.

He was a clear racist also and his comments during the Bengal famine in 1943 would make Tommy Robinson look like a bleeding heart liberal.   He said the famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits and that starvation of in any event underfed Bengalis was that serious.   When there were conflicts between the Muslim League and the Indian congress in the 1940’s before independence and partition he is reported as having said he hoped “it would be bitter and bloody”.

Yet few can and do doubt that he was the PM we needed during WW2.   Forget all this about him being in favour of Jaw, Jaw rather than War, War.    He wanted to hit the Russians in 1945 right after WW2 ended and while our lads and the Yanks were in the ideal place to kick off WW3.    The plan he had devised was called Operation Unthinkable and the British Chiefs of Staff had to talk him out of it.

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[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Oh come on VFM. You cant rewright history when it comes to chirchil. He stuck up for GB and thats it.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Any row most welcome ???

[The Duke]

He did do well by the uk, and it’s a good job (for him) he did, as he wouldn’t of been remembered fondly at all otherwise.

[The VFM Addict]

Wheels-Of-Fire wrote:

Oh come on VFM. You cant rewright history when it comes to chirchil. He stuck up for GB and thats it.

LOL…….. Not trying to rewrite history.  I was simply trying to tell it like is was.    As I said few would disagree (and I’m not one) that Winnie was the PM we needed during WW2.    No-one would have been better.   He was a brilliant wordsmith who knew how to boost the national spirit and give the country self belief.    Sometimes that’s exactly what you need and if that individual has a basket full or two of other failings then for a while the trade off is worth it.    It might be the same with BoJo.

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[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Yep, that’s what I think. Boris may be the man for the moment. He COULD stop Tory voters from defecting to some sort of leave party and thus keep the Marxists out. And tell the EU where to go. He COULD and most likely WOULD.

[The VFM Addict]

We are in agreement then.  But I doubt the Tory MP’s are wish enough to recognise that only BoJo would be likely to stop a Brexiteers exodus from Tory Voting Ranks.   I’ve seen no sign lately that any of them have political savvy.

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