Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

And so we should have the blond bombshell then Ed ? BOJO has the looks but I would only vote for him because I trust him to REALLY get us OUT.

[The Duke]

Dave Rice wrote:

According to John Redwood and Nigel Farage it’s duplicates, triplicates and Russian bots. I suppose he’d know. A lot on the march in London yesterday too. I think they were all called Boris and Olga.

Boris must of missed The page ‘show on map’.its interesting seeing what areas are signing the form and in what numbers.

From what I seen last night, it’s about 4% of the vote if from outside the UK. However alot of them could be explained by uk citezens living overseas. So I’d sab 1-2% may be bots or interfering parties.

Even if it fa’s 50% it’s still 2.5m votes on a petition. Which is impressive to say the least.

I don’t think it will change anything, as revolting A50 would of been on the debate cards, over the next two week any what. So all this petition does is give the MPs somthing to point at when they raise the matter.

this will be used as a stick to make parliament either give another ref or a ge. I’m not sure the MPs has the  balls to vote on revoking A50.

[Ed P]

It would need a very sophisticated bot to register a vote. experts say that it is highly unlikely to happen. Anyway – other than Germany, who would do it? Certainly neither Russia or the US as both have shown interest in weakening the EU rather than strengthening it.

Still if you want to run a conspiracy theory – who leaked Operation YellowHammer? A really scary document especially given the important role that the Minister for Incompetency Chris Grayling would play. If ever this is implemented then the Homer Simpson cry would come up from the masses “We are Doomed!“

[The Duke]

It’s gone up half a million sigs since I posted this above. It’s an interesting watch in its own right.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

I just thought of a cunning wheeze.

I Mrs May was really a leaver , and she wanted to go out with a bang, she could take the MP’s decision to take control of parliament as a vote of no confidence in the government. She could then call a general election and ask the Queen to dissolve  parliament.

There wouldn’t be anyone in the house to stop us leaving on the 29th !

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Well thats that for that idea then?

The only thing the MP’s voted FOR today was to push back the brexit date.

Another wast of time only leading to more time wasting.

[Ed P]

The whole b-shower are not fit to govern.

First they encourage a flight from security by promises of pain-free extra cash in the NHS. Then when that is shown to be a heap of lies and we are all worse off they abandon the electorate!

[The VFM Addict]

My bet is the MV3 fails and at least one state veto’s a long extension.   No-one wants this to drag any longer or UK MEP’s back in Brussels.   I truly think we are going No Deal via that route.  Our Remainer Parliament can’t stop it except by Revoking Art50 which I don’t think they’ve the danglers to do.

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[Dave Rice]

I wouldn’t bet on anything.

I’ve had a lot of moderate leavers say to me recently they just want to see it torn up and forgotten about. Mostly they are in the camp that thought they’d like more power to the UK but having seen what Parliament would make of that power they now dread giving them more. They still don’t like Brussels but they despise Westminster more.

They are sick of the lies and self serving politicians on all sides. They are sick of the lot of them but especially the crass Mark Francois types. Even Ress-Mogg is being seen through as very clever but probably too clever for his own good. Corbyn? No one has any idea what he actually stands for.

I said the moderates would start finding their voices and they have. The gob shites still get the air time, as they always do as it makes good TV, but they’ve not had it all their own way for quite a while now.

Nobody buys the spin that No Deal will be OK, they know it won’t be. Even ardent leavers say, well it may be a year of pain. Just a year? People wonder what the DUP £1bn bribe has actually bought the country, or even what it has bought TM. Just think what that could have been spent on, plus the God knows how much for No Deal preparations.

Personally I think we are only days away from a GE being called because Government is about to collapse. That will kick the can down the road again and TM can bugger off and hide with Cameron. Then watch the infighting over the Manifestos.

And remember, all this pain and division has been caused for one reason and one reason only, the 40 year Conservative Party infighting. They have knifed their last 4 PMs, torn their party apart, torn the country apart. I hope one thing comes out of all this mess and that’s political change. Fat chance.

[The VFM Addict]

Quite true a GE is a possibility.   But as regards the 40 years I return to a point that you have often contested.  I put this all down to poor judgement by John Major.

It was Maastricht that was the full step from Trading Bloc to Political Bloc.   That’s when a referendum should have taken place rather than wait until our entanglement with the EU grew infinitely.   If there had been a referendum there and then either the UK would have fully committed to the EU political project or would have left before entanglement made leaving so painfully difficult.   To leave the problem of Euroscepticism to simply fester in his own party and the country as Major did. without lancing it one way or the other there and then was pretty damn certain to develop into the national sepsis it became and is.

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[Wheels-Of-Fire]

I have been hearing from   disheartened Leavers too Dave. They are resigned to the fact that they will not get what voted for after all.

The general consensus seems to be to take May’s deal now and fight to get us REALLY out within 2 years.

Especially if we can get BoJo into No10 ?

[The VFM Addict]

Continuing from my last post –

Euroscepticism in the Parliamentary Conservative party is now in the majority.   It is though easy to miss.  In Indicative Vote 3 yesterday 126 Tories voted ‘Aye’ to a Managed No Deal with 122 voting ‘No’.  This is significant in that it demonstrates that May is now out of step with her own party.

Most bizarre of all looking at IV3 was that despite being one of the architects of and a big advocate of the Malthouse Compromise, Plan B in that compromise being a Managed No Deal, she then went and voted ‘No’ in IV3.    Naturally Kit Malthouse voted Aye as did all the other architects of that plan.

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[The VFM Addict]

Wheels-Of-Fire wrote:

I have been hearing from disheartened Leavers too Dave. They are resigned to the fact that they will not get what voted for after all. The general consensus seems to be to take May’s deal now and fight to get us REALLY out within 2 years. Especially if we can get BoJo into No10

WoF all pundits say that the ToryPP will never put BoJo into the final two put to the general Tory membership.   I once agreed but am increasing feeling that a possibility now exists that he might get into the last two.    Plainly as indicated by my last post Euroscepticism has grown, the majority of the ToryPP now favour a Managed No Deal and BoJo is probably the only viable candidate likely to try to push that through.    All social media stats show BoJo has greater appeal to all age groups than any potential rival.    Tory eyes will be on who could win the next GE for them?    Charisma counts.     Gove, the backstabbing garden gnome?   Rudd, who rightly or wrongly has Windrush tarnish?    Hunt, the beloved of the NHS, not?    Or BoJo, always self serving, at times a rogue but with naughty boy appeal who proved he can win big elections.  Taking London twice is no mean feat it usually being a Labour stronghold.    Perhaps, just perhaps he will get onto the final two shortlist put to the party at large.    He’ll win there because the party faithful love him to bits.   Who else could motivate grass roots activists, who overwhelmingly (68%) wanted No Deal, to go out and work their little socks off canvasing come the next GE.

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[Wheels-Of-Fire]

I read through the entire WA again last weekend and It is still BINO. The thing I noticed this time though was the obvious amendments that had been inserted because they break the flow of the drivel. I mean text.

The WA is not quite the stitch up the EU thinks it is and with a leader who actually wants to leave we MAY get a proper negotiated end to all this in less than 2 years.

Or we could save 30 odd billion and just leave now ?

[Dave Rice]

The Tory party faithful, how many of them are there? Not a lot. So they will decide our next PM. Very democratic. Surely the sort of thing they vilify the EU for? But they won’t get a chance, the MPs will stitch it up like last time and with probably the same result. There isn’t one of them anywhere in the whole building I think is capable of doing the job.

Might as well have BoJo and cement our status as a laughing stock of the world. Look at the bang up job he did as Foreign Secretary. Marvellous.

[The VFM Addict]

Dave, the humiliation has always been the duplicity and spineless nature of those of Westminster.    Listen to what is actually being said around the world, other than in the EU, and there are two constant leading themes and to which all others trail.    The first is how could the UK have agreed (although in reality so far only May has agreed) to such a bad deal as it has which gives the EU all the power.   The second theme concerns democracy, which the world looks to the UK as being the mother of.    They see a vote by the majority to Leave and a Remainer Parliament swirling like rats in a sack seeking to thwart such.   Only if Parliament gets some balls to kick away the bad deal and do what the people asked for (right or wrong) will the humiliation end.

There are times when a country needs a self serving rogue who by chance wants to and will go where the people voted to be taken.     Churchill was very much the wayward self serving fool often described pre-WW2 as being a cad.   David Lloyd George’s 1916 description of Churchill could well have been an epithet written re Boris today by his detractors, “You will one day discover that the state of mind revealed in (your) letter is the reason why you do not win trust even where you command admiration.  In every line of it, national interests are completely overshadowed by your personal concern.”  But then in 1940 cometh the hour, cometh the man.   Perhaps, just perhaps history will repeat itself.

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[Ed P]

For those who thought that Brexit was all about taking back control … You want to give FULL control of the country to this shower of shite!!!

I would not even give them full control of a Double Decker Bus!

[JayCeeDee]

Ed P wrote:

I would not even give them full control of a Double Decker Bus!

Very true Ed. No matter what lies and obfuscation were written on the side????? Were you on Question Time last night ?There was an audience member that stated the current cockup situation could only be worse than it is had Grayling been put in charge of it!!

[Ed P]

May’s Hissy Fit – it is widely reported in the Sunday’s that May is threatening her party with a General Election. It is also widely reported that she will not get the Commons two thirds majority to do so. Turkeys do not vote for Christmas (except possibly Grayling eyeing his Ministerial redundancy payment). A Tory vote for a General Election is to say the least naive given the ever increasing swing towards Labour. (Labour currently lead the polls)

Cameron must be really regretting ever trying to heal Conservative divisions with his referendum move. He has probably managed to sow the seeds of complete destruction in the Union and the Conservative party. Nice one Dave!

[The VFM Addict]

No, Ed, Major sowed the seeds, Dave Boy was merely the one who nurtured them to full maturity and May is the one who is harvesting the crop.    What a Team !!!

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