Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Dave Rice]

It’s a bit like the Lords. They do their job – don’t forget there was a withdrawn amendment asking the same thing last week so he didn’t start it – and those who don’t like the answer are horrified. Jacob Rees-Mogg is very good at vacillation of this sort with regards the Lords.

My cousin(ish) was an umpire (Mervyn Kitchen) and was told off for calling too many no balls. His answer, tell the bowlers to stop bowling them and I’ll stop calling them.

From what I can see this weeks vote would still have failed and TM would be asking for an extension in any case. But yes, Bercow does seem to love the camera but then he is a politician and as a species they all do.

EDIT My daughter just sent me this Theresa May’s No Deal Brexit vs Vanilla Ice

[Ed P]

Talking of House of Lords – I was absolutely astonished by Lord Ashton of Hyde, he actually is the right man in the right job!

During discussions on the use of (what looks like) AI in Public Authorities he was able to speak off the cuff and give a word-perfect definition of ‘algorithm’. Quite frankly I would be astounded if such technical knowledge exists in the House of Commons assuming Grayling is top twenty percent, and judging by some of their stupidity when dealing with the Internet or cryptography.

Lord Ashton of Hyde

“My Lords, I am not an expert, but I am sure that the noble Lord can go back to his school days and remember from his study of ​Greek that Euclid was producing algorithms in 300 BC —he will remember that this was for finding the greatest common divisor of two numbers. Essentially, an algorithm is a set of rules that precisely defines a sequence of operations. Today, they are used mainly by computers for calculations, machine learning and artificial intelligence

Hansard“

[JayCeeDee]

@VFM – you miss my point – I’m not after “constant involvement”, I want to elect them, whether they’re the party I voted for or not, then let them get on with it, but under the “Quality Process” guidelines that were put onto businesses to get them working efficiently and in a sensible manner to provide positive outcomes.
I deliberately phrased that paragraph in TQM Talk.

The Speakers comments actually reinforce that aspect.

Dave – I loved that little musical interlude!! Made me ( and the wife ) chuckle.

[The VFM Addict]

@JCD,

I’m sorry if I missed your point.    Perhaps that I did was understandable given that you has had included and inset the following in your post:

‘Total Quality Management, TQM, is a method by which management and employees can become involved in the continuous improvement of the production of goods and services. It is a combination of quality and management tools aimed at increasing business and reducing losses due to wasteful practices.’

TQM principles applied to the governance of the country would require the constant involvement of the electorate in order to improve outcomes; not merely every five years at GE’s.  In my experience it is vital to involve workforces, as far as is possible, at all stages and often.   Carry a workforce with you and without exception outcomes improve significantly.    I very much like the Swiss approach.    It would only fail here if, as has too often has been the case in the past, the UK electorate simply couldn’t be bothered to take an interest in politics.

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[The VFM Addict]

This new ComRes poll totally baffles me.    I continually wonder how Labour can be ahead in the polls when May is stomping Corbyn at the PM level in the same poll.    What seems highly likely though is that a change of Labour Leader could result in Labour totally trouncing the Tories at the next GE.

The polls commentary re opinions on Brexit is interesting but it is clear that there was/would have been a majority in the electorate in going WTO frrom the moment we triggered Art50.

 

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[Ed P]

“I continually wonder how Labour can be ahead in the polls”

Easy – would you even trust this Government (and its ex-ministers like Bojo) with anything? The ERG lot are even worse – as creepy a bunch as you could wish for – they all look like they have just crept out of a crypt after sucking the blood from yet another innocent victim. Would you actually trust any of them to keep their word? If so, I have a bridge to sell to you!

[JayCeeDee]

The VFM Addict wrote:

@JCD, I’m sorry if I missed your point. Perhaps that I did was understandable given that you has had included and inset the following in your post: ‘Total Quality Management, TQM, is a method by which management and employees can become involved in the continuous improvement of the production of goods and services. It is a combination of quality and management tools aimed at increasing business and reducing losses due to wasteful practices.’ TQM principles applied to the governance of the country would require the constant involvement of the electorate in order to improve outcomes; not merely every five years at GE’s. In my experience it is vital to involve workforces, as far as is possible, at all stages and often. Carry a workforce with you and without exception outcomes improve significantly. I very much like the Swiss approach. It would only fail here if, as has too often has been the case in the past, the UK electorate simply couldn’t be bothered to take an interest in politics.

It was meant as a method of kicking all the politicians up the backside and get them, by enforcing principles of good practice ( as per TQM, but not necessarily verbatim, ), to do a better job for the electorate than the bunch of bickering, prevaricating, back-stabbing ( each other and the country ) twonks that we have at the moment. ( Can’t find a ‘tear hair out’ emoji!!! )

[JayCeeDee]

The VFM Addict wrote:

This new ComRes poll totally baffles me. I continually wonder how Labour can be ahead in the polls when May is stomping Corbyn at the PM level in the same poll. What seems highly likely though is that a change of Labour Leader could result in Labour totally trouncing the Tories at the next GE. The polls commentary re opinions on Brexit is interesting but it is clear that there was/would have been a majority in the electorate in going WTO frrom the moment we triggered Art50.

 

How many people that you know support a football team and hate the manager?? It’s basically the same thing. You’re comparing leader to leader and getting a different view from party to party.

BTW, I totally agree with you re the Labour leadership and it’s election possibilities, but a new one would have to distance themselves from Momentum or it’s the same sh1t, different day all over again.

[The VFM Addict]

You are probably right with the football team/manager analogy.

As regards a new Labour Leader – I can’t stand Keir Starmer, the ex-DPP, because despite his background which seems genuinely left (he’s named after Keir Hardie) I get a bit a the feeling of ‘fake’ about him.   To me he seems self-serving, manipulative and very much an establishment man.    I don’t think you end up DPP unless you are the latter.   However, he looks the part while retaining enough of the ‘common’ taint to his voice to be Labour’s new Pied Piper across their heartlands and awaiting marginals.   I might be wrong but I am pretty sure that his voice now has more of a ‘common’ taint to it that when has was DPP.    I must try to find some old footage of him and compare the audio from then to now.     Was high political office always his long term objective?  Probably.  He always took every opportunity for exposure such as undertaking pro-bono work in the famous little man v the big corporate battle that was the famous McDonald’s libel case.

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[keith with the teef]

Has anyone spotted what May is up to.

Looks ploitically that the piggy in the middle is going to win on both sides.

One or the other: Europe the conservatives will throw out? May will work away and say its no preblem for me its a problem for you.

[Ed P]

keith with the teef wrote:

Has anyone spotted what May is up to. Looks ploitically that the piggy in the middle is going to win on both sides. One or the other: Europe the conservatives will throw out? May will work away and say its no preblem for me its a problem for you.

I guess it depends on your viewpoint, but to me May has broken her primary election promise “…to emerge from Brexit a strong and united nation, ” If anything we are more divided and bitter. Instead of seeking a consensus from all parties of the best way to handle Brexit it became a ‘My way or no way’ approach, with no being capable of being interpreted as both a ‘Hard Brexit’ and a ‘No Brexit’

In my opinion the only things she has succeeded at are to alienate the population and demonstrated the undemocratic evils of an elected Dictatorship.

I suspect that she has thoroughly annoyed the House of Commons in all the political shades – a rare success!

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Well her way woz  always we aint going to leave.

[The VFM Addict]

Portillo got it right last night.   The second that the EU saw the whites of the eyes of a genuinely possible No Deal they have blinked.

Project Fear also took a right hook from reality in the last couple of days.  Toyota have declared that they will be building Suzuki’s new hybrid car next year here in the UK.   When will people wake up to the fact that the Project Fear declarations about car manufacturing are simple not true.   Don’t be bamboozled by Project Fears propaganda.

Actually it might be considered a two punch combination to Project Fear because the BBC’s bias is now fully exposed.   They went big on 5 March with warnings that Toyota may leave.    But now that is shown to be untrue the BBC seeks to conceal Toyota’s reversal from general view by mentioning it only on its local new page for Derby.    Disgusting bias.   Such is obviously not just local news, is it?

All credit to The Guardian though.   Despite being a heavily Remain inclined newspaper and within its text spinning somewhat Toyota’s announcement it did not try to keep Toyota’s decision from general view.

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[Bob Williams]

That’s one of the 3 Japanese factories: Honda are still leaving UK manufacturing, Nissan will build the next X-Trail in Japan, probably making more similar decisions later. JLR are concerned enough to consider moving abroad. Ford are also moving some manufacturing:

http://tinyurl.com/y52qefwj

Take a look at Business Insider:

http://tinyurl.com/yxwut4wz

It’s not Project Fear mate, it’s Project Reality.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Ed P]

I hear what you say, but watch those announcements disappear in the case of a Hard Brexit. One month ago when such decisions were made the betting was on May’s deal or No Brexit.   We probably will not know what the real score is until the end of May. (all meanings to May apply!).

I wish that someone would add up all the costs of May’s lack of backbone – I reckon £10 billion as a minimum.

[Bob Williams]

I still have a little sympathy for TM the PM. Attacked and criticised from all sides, including the several different schisms within her own Party*, she still works her socks off trying to get UK and EU politicos to see things the way she does. She also worked her way around the world, trying to get trade aprés Brexit. Very little that she says or does, gets approval from anyone.

*Whilst even the Opposition presents a disunited front!

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[The VFM Addict]

Bob, I’ve covered the Motor Industry before.   But not JLR so here’s the truth.  Their new £1Bn fasility in Slovakia was opened (note opened!) on 25 October 2018.    Cheapo land, cheap labour costs, Brexit or no Brexit.   With lead times the decision would have been taken pre-the Brexit Ref and when no-one expected us to leave.

Bob, if BMW, yes BMW, don’t think No Deal JIT problems will last more than a few weeks are there really the problems Project Fear say there are?  Read for yourself.

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[The VFM Addict]

I note your comments, Ed, re May not having a backbone.   Perhaps she merely has an exoskeleton like insects.   There is something about her walk that’s very insect like.   Moreover exoskeletons being external hard-shells would explain why she is so thick skinned.

I’m afraid, Bob, I have no sympathy for TM.   I’m not convinced this is any longer even about what she thinks is best for the UK.   It is surely more personal concern for what legacy she will have.    I’m not sure she is clever enough to realise that the longer she follows her tunnel vision the worse that legacy will be.    I dislike Cameron and Blair intensely but both were wise enough to know when to quit.

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[The Duke]

I see the Revoke A50 petition is closing in on 5m signatures.

If anyone is interested in it here it is

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Let’s get it above 17m signs, just to trully mess with people. Share it around maybe.

[Dave Rice]

According to John Redwood and Nigel Farage it’s duplicates, triplicates and Russian bots. I suppose he’d know.

A lot on the march in London yesterday too. I think they were all called Boris and Olga.

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