Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Ed P]

Oh – and I should add corrupt and subject to bribery to my critique of our ‘democracy’??

[The VFM Addict]

Yep, that’s why those who take the EU buck as Commissioners lose can their pensions if they ever criticise it after leaving office.   Such patronage is offensive in the extreme is it not.  Imagine if you could lose your pension if you ever critcised an ex- employer.     Stinks doesn’t it?

Moving back to amendments the only one that has real consequence is Yvette Cooper’s as it could lead to legally binding legislation.   However, I suspect Labour MP’s may get the severe wobbles after today’s Sun that seeks to lay blame squarely and fully at their feet if Brexit is thwarted.    A front page that reads big and bold, “DON’T LET LABOUR KILL BREXIT” is a political IED that Labour will have difficulty defusing other than by voting down the Cooper amendment.    It would take a very brave, foolhardy or huge majority Labour MP to back Yvette’s amendment in the face of that.   In the Labour seats of the north that voted Leave letting this bomb go off could very, very easily be career ending.

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[Dave Rice]

More biased media reports looking at the vested interests of the owner ?

Career ending?I doubt it for the same reason Liam Fox’s voters won’t turn on him in any numbers.

If you get what you want, that’s what will be career ending for some at the next GE when the lies are exposed. Reality will catch up with the ideology. Unfortunately the architects of the mess are in safe seats. They literally have nothing to lose, the lucrative directorships or family fortunes will still be there when they decide to pack it in.

[The Duke]

Lol, really, you get your news fon the Sun? ??????

[The VFM Addict]

The Duke wrote:

Lol, really, you get your news fon the Sun?

Nope.   I check all Front Pages every day and main web news sites.    However, a whole lot of Labour voters do get theirs from the Sun.   That’s why it is significant.

The big issue at the moment is the deal conjured up by Nicky Morgan and JRM, etc.  Massive momentum for it right now as I post.   Even the DUP have just come onboard.    I suspect Labour will have little option but to come onboard also or get the blame for No Brexit or No Deal if that happens.   Its a masterstroke by the Tories getting Remainers, Leavers and the DUP to concur.    I still can’t get over Morgan and JRM working together and agreeing.    Only thing that would shock me more was if Soubry and Grieve got onboard too.   My guess is that this development (i.e. this new plan)  will knock the wheels off the Cooper amendment.

If the EU fail to accept this new plan then I’m pretty sure it will be a hard No Deal Brexit and they will recognise that.   Massive pressure on them too therefore as they (especially Eire) simply don’t want a hard No Deal.    By the way this new plan is being referred to as The Malthouse Plan.

EDIT AS I POST – Labour have just this minute committed to backing the Cooper amendment.    Well at least Corbyn has balls given the Sun front page and the Malthouse Plan.  GAME ON.

 

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[The Duke]

I’ve been out the loop today as stuck in Wrexham ozzy. (hate that place), but surly ruling out no deal can only be good for the EU and not us. I don’t want a no deal, but now we have removed our largest  bargainnig tool.

Though that should be good for the remainers as now all is left is, a deal, or remain. For the leavers let’s hope May can’t think up a deal that will make everyone happy. The EU may even just brush every and any new deal amendments away, leaving just remain. For the sake of “democracy” that would be awful ?

[The VFM Addict]

This might bring you up to speed re The Malthouse Plan.

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[The VFM Addict]

Bercow has selected the following amendments for a vote and it starts at 7pm:

(a) Jeremy Corbyn
(o) Ian Blackford
(g) Dominic Grieve
(b) Yvette Cooper
(j) Rachel Reeves
(i) Caroline Spelman
(n) Graham Brady

The Cooper and the Brady are the big ones.   I don’t think that after the Sun’s front page this morning the Cooper one will pass because there will be more Labour rebels than Tory rebels (especially now that The Malthouse Plan is building a consensus).    The Brady one is equally likely to fail despite being Tory whipped because the ERG have said they won’t back it.   The others may or may not pass and frankly none has binding power on the Government so they aren’t really worth bothering about.

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[Ed P]

You give too much credence to the influence of the ERG mob on Parliament as a whole.

[The VFM Addict]

LOL …….   No, Ed, only to their numbers when it comes to crunch votes.

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[Ed P]

The DUP invented a new spin on food shortages and “let them eat cake” —

“Let them go to the Chippy!”

[Bob Williams]

Steve I have been out of it myself yesterday and today: yesterday from about 11 am at Lincoln hospital having Prostate bleeding examined, turned into an all day thing. First had an ultrasound , then a camera inserted into my dangly bit and a large finger into the other orifice. Second time for me in 12 months, not a pleasant procedure for the patient, spent most of last night and today clenching my teeth every time I needed the toilet, my wee has somehow transmuted into acid! Consultant gave me the news that there was nothing nasty down there and he will see me in 6 weeks: I just cannot wait for a repeat performance. NOT! He also said that I will have to get used to the occasional bleed and that my Prostate is one of the biggest he has ever seen, I told him I did not want an award for it.??

Hope things went as well as possible for the Duchess at Wrexham.

Anyway, to inject something different into this Brexit pantomime (Brexit began as a joke, now it’s a bloody pantomime IMO!) here are the thoughts of Jurgen Klopp on lots of things, including Brexit:

http://tinyurl.com/y9udf7xn

His words are echoed by my own German friends, who still hope that Brexit will not happen and that Englischer  gesunder Menschenverstand (English commonsense) will change minds and keep us in the EU. I told them not to expect a lot of that from this side of the North Sea, especially our Parliament.

I now have an opinion of the guy as much more than just a damn’ fine football coach.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[The Duke]

Nice little video bob, I’d like to see him speak for ten mins on the subject. He does have that Shankly socalist side to him. He is a perfect fit for liverpool in so many ways.

Ive never seen a man since Hitler that can control a room with just his presents.

I must admit, with his fix foot plus stature, an blond hair, when he is going mad in the dug out, I often look over and can see him riding on the back of a panza barking order out.

He is meant to be exteamly nice behind closed doors, untill he isn’t.

[Richard]

Bob, Steve, I have tended to ignore this thread and only peeped in by chance this morning and what a cold and nasty morning it is.

I was sorry to hear that you Steve were still spending long hours in hospital waiting rooms while the other half was getting what you must all hope will be encouraging news of progress. Waiting rooms can be pretty hard cold places and it is easy to get too much of them in a short time.

As for Bob, I know that those ‘internal exams’ are not too pleasant and the though of another one in a few weeks time would fill anyone with something other than raptures of pleasure. Most times it is interesting to know what is going on, but far more interesting, dare I say vital to know how the pain(s) can be stopped. The report that it is ‘nothing serious’ is not the vital part, relief is the far more vital need. I can only wish you well.

After driving nearly a 1,000 miles this month with daily radiotherapy sessions plus other doctor visits for my wife neither of us are feeling a post activity relief bounce since that bit is done and dusted.

Steve, since you have been on this grinding round for far longer, I marvel at the way you keep on trucking through it all. You never appear to get ground down by the constant pressure plus those of a young family. Do you interact with any of the other patients and their families? I found the contacts I had very helpful, there was nothing down beat about any of them, yet I knew that some of them were scheduled for an earlier exit than others

[The Duke]

Thanks Richard. It’s a case of getting on with it, as there isnt really another option.

In regards to talking with people, I try not to. For the simple fact we have now been on this roller-coaster for 8 years now, on and off. Over 3 different sittings. The first time round we met a few nice people, Especally the older lot are always wlvery nice, but the shit bit is, alot of people don’t make it. So I personly don’t try to stirke up relationships.

Also I have a fear of hospitals and doctors waiting rooms. Someting I had to get over yeses ago, but I hate the places. I can’t explain what it is about the places, but I can only explain it as a closteaphobic type feeling sat in them. I’m not closteaphobic is any way, nor highs or even open spaces (shit scared of snakes). So in not at peak mean in hospitals.

She is ok, we had some bad news in November, and we are working thought it, neeec the little shit to shrik a tad and it can be removed (touch wood), so all the chemo and radiation is in full swing. Though yesterday, the wife needed a minor opp as the growth had teared a section of bowel, so how, last week.

She is sure feeling it today. They gave her 2 lots of chemo too yesterday, so she has 2 days off untill Friday when they will chech their handy work and giver her another top up.

As I started this, just keep going forward, there isn’t another option.

Hope all with ills are feeling better, or at least can see a little light. (the good kind of light lol)

In other news, we got a new 3 piece suite while we was at the ozzy, which is good news as my eldest lad done the heavy work of manovering it all aroumd while we was out.

So swings and roundabouts to my day. I still need to shift the old one though ?

[Richard]

Steve, I call the sofa delivery a result!

Eight years is a long time to be battling, I can understand you getting battle fatigue, but I am very glad you are hanging in there. some of the horror story cases I have met saw people just up and leave. One with a nasty, messy divorce now unfolding, a really unpleasant situation, yet the woman in question was really nice and easy to talk to. Michele had her first run in 26 years ago but that was a cut and run job with only follow up checks and all were negative until the present very different ‘event’, so sometimes thing go well. Since we are going to so many different hospitals the groups we see are constantly changing, but I can see how it would drag you down if you met the same faces, but with increasing numbers of empty chairs. due to poor outcomes.

[The Duke]

The wife starting bleeding last weekend, we went A&E about limch time about 9pm we just left, as the start of the drinks was coming in and we was pissed off, and she in agony. We decided she ehoudk be better in pain in bed than in a chair in A&E. They had seen us after about 4 hours, but just left us sat in a cubicle.

We had an appointment on Monday at the Cancer ward, so we bailed. When we told them on the Monday the doc hit the roof, he was more pissed than we was. He had her  heckled over and booked in at Wrexham for the next day. Which was yesterday.

It can be hard, but it’s now just what it is. Her first bout was rough, and she cut it close. So we are sort of more relaxed about things now (if own can be in this situation). It’s ok, here we go again, what will be will be.

[Bob Williams]

Like Steve says, there really is no alternative except to keep on going. I have been through so much in the years since 2005, that I just take each event as it happens: spinal repair to avoid quadriplegia, bowel disease and Parastomal hernia, gall bladder removed, start of prostate trouble, pancreatic and spleen cancer, both removed, then lymph gland cancer. Now the prostate is back again knocking on my door and I am still bleeding every time I urinate. So that does not look good, but it’s back to the same old same old: what else can you do but get your head down and get on with living?

Latest is that my Gert may have to have the hip installed last February, subjected to further investigation and possible surgery, she is having a lot of trouble walking. I told her she should have been a tennis player, lol. She says her 4’9″ height does not reach far over the net.??

If we didn’t have a laugh at our misfortune, we would not be British.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Richard]

Yes Bob, I know you have been through the mill and come out with a basket full of issues none of which have really been resolved only held in their own little boxes. It is almost insulting to pass moment on how you are doing but, as you say for you there is no better, let alone good alternative. I guess that what you said is right, the best way to make light of things is to laugh at our misfortunes, even though they have an unfortunate habit of breeding with or without dark corner of the mind to hid their activities. Good luck and keep fighting the gremlins as you roll forward.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Well if you need something to laugh about then how about the following article I found by accident. Irexit in the Irish times.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-ireland-should-seriously-consider-irexit-1.3202154?mode=amp

Irexit, what a laugh, could never happen, He He. ???

Or could it ?

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