Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Indeed we are a joke. We voted out and then let the self serving MP”s get their self serving interests involved. Rest of the world think it is a bloody good laugh.

[The Duke]

They laughed cos we voted out. Then carried on laughing as our parliament royaly messed it up.

Though the vote was never ratified, government was not, and still arnt under obligation to go out. They did have the obligation to throw alot of money are looking into wether it was actully viable.

Now we no its not in our interest. They sould say so and pull the plug. And show their findings. Then everyone would be happy. Surly?

The vote has noting to do  with democracy. It was a sampling of public opinion. Everyone just got carried away. Time for the adults to put it to bed.

[Ed P]

Except Trump and the Russians the rest of the world thought we were bleeding idiots to vote for Brexit. Now they think we are incompetent dithering idiots.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

The rest of the world are s**t scared we may actually be let loose again.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

It will take some fighting to put us back where we belong but it is NOT beyond us.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

We dont even have to do any real fighting with the EU at the moment. Just tell them it aint good enough.

[The Duke]

WOF who or what do you think the uk is? And where and how do you think we are going to get there.

We was a top nation, cos we mastered the wooden ship  and we got rich off bulking less advanced people the then gun boat diplomacy.

We can’t do that now 1.cos there are rules now and 2. That era came to an end with the atomic bomb.

After WW2 America with the World Bank basically took over the world. Via economic hitmen which mortjed into the cia, or a branch of it.

We no longer have the money or technical advantage we once had to bully nations, and there is laws against it anyhow

What do you think our small island can do now, that boat has sailed. literally. Our empiř came to an end with ww1 and died with WW2. We are no longer in a position to become ‘great again’

Both Russia and America want the EU to fail as it is a threat to both of them, that’s why they are happy for us to leave, as they would like it to be the catalist that breaks up the EU. If that happens, America will control alot of it, (the nations with us air bases in) and Russia will take the easten States back.

Both America and Russia don’t even have to do anything either. Just sit and wait for us to all start squabbling about resources etc and both nations will step in as ‘peace keppers’.

Europe will be stpit between them including us. Given we have the US early warning nuke system, I’m sure America will take more and more control of the UK. And there is zero we could do against them. Nothing. We have great militery personnel, but we couldn’t sand up to the US. Nor Russia India or China. So I have no idea how you think we’ll rise back to where we belong. Without the EU we’ll be a whipping boy. And the brextremists are walking us straight into it

[Ed P]

Even worse as a nation we devalue scientists, technologists, economists and applied mathematics. It is a pity that Bruce no longer visits us as he would put you wise to just how crap our Government is when it comes to those fields. I think without exception all top jobs are Oxbridge Arts or Law graduates.

We fail to invest in education – schools in this area have their begging bowls out to parents otherwise they have to shed teachers.

We have crap management as companies are not encouraged to invest in management training.

We have a crap bureaucracy that takes little pride in its work and is forever putting out unchecked and unverified work – back to bad management again.

Just how exactly are we going to beat a much better German education and management system How exactly will we stand up to a country that gives its top jobs to Herr Doktor Ingenieur? It is going to take decades to get there, but unfortunately Brexit will burn up all the money that might have got us there.

[The Duke]

The whole schools and asking parents for money is also an issue in my area. The junior school all my 5 all went though was all away after a pound for this or that a few times a month, it was annoying weje we had 3 in the school at one point.

Jowever the last two years its gone stupid. It this week its alone, £5 to walk to a castle down the road on mandsy, £3 swimming on wednes day, an £1 for non uniform day on Friday.

Next week the school trip away needs to be paid for which is almost £200 (that’s not Thr school fault, but still. We must give the school £20 each month. Last day before Christmas they had a video afternoon which was £3 for snacks (cost about 50p)and they watched a video that was currently on at the pictures. So a bootleg off the Internet.

If these cose was 15 years ago when we had 3 there and I was in uni, there is no way we could of done £60 a month. They take the piss. They took them on a walk to the historical train shed ruin, which is nest to my house, I park in the old carpark. Its 3 mins form thd school. Iirc it cost me £2 for my girl to walk to the carpark she goes to evey day. I wad fuming.

The list goes on. Told you earlier today, I’m a miserable tw*t, and the Old nickel dime tackic is one of my trigger points.

A few years ago (7 actually) we went to Disney land Paris (crap Btw) tickets for 5 of us wad about £250, drove into their carpark and I had to pay €10 or we couldn’t go in. Oh that set me off that did.

Then as we entered the park we had a picnic under the pram in a cooler box. They tried to take it of us saying food want allowed in the park. Now went you set my wife off she isn’t quiet. They let us in just to shut her up . And we decided we wousnt spend a penny inside.l the park.

I also have an issue with gullavers world in Warrington charging £18 for an adult to get in. It’s z Park for under 12s pronaly under 10s really. There is nothing to do at all for anyone over 12. Nothing, no reason to be there. So if you have two kids, two parents it’s about £60 to enter. Now if they just charged for the kids I’d probably spend £40 or more on crap food, ice creams and over priced photos. But cos they charge for adults we have never spent a penny. In the park.

I have the same issue with alton towers charing a full child’s ticket prices for kids that can’t go on any of the rides.

You got me started now ed!

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Oh ye of little faith people. I think the Brititish are greater than our EU masters say we are. The fact we can sling opinions about on here without getting personal proves it ?

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Well mostly ???

[The Duke]

I’ll agree to that at least. ?

[Ed P]

As an example of crap bureaucracy it is now illegal for kids living within three miles of an airport to fly any  TOY drone even those weighing weighing less than 250 grams. The EU at least show common sense with their regulations as they recognise the impossibility of a tiny toy drone causing any damage. EU regulations exempt anything weighing under 250 grams, but not OUR idiot regulator, who took EU regulations and struck out the lower limits — b-typical!

A drone weighing less than 250 grams has neither the mass, speed or stability to get anywhere near an aircrafy’s flight path mucjh less cause any damage. All CAA damage testing was done by firing a 1 kilo drone at 400 mph into a wing section causing superficial damage.

“Findings by the Department for Transport (DfT), British Airline Pilots’ Association (BALPA) and the Military Aviation Authority (MAA) published today in a summary report, reveal drones weighing 400 grams could damage the windscreens of helicopters in particular. However, airliner windscreens were found to be much more resistant. It would take a heavier drone of around 2 kilograms to critically damage an airliner windscreen, and only if the airliner is flying at a high speed; not during take-off and landing.”

[The Duke]

Don’t worry Ed the red tops leave out the bit about the UK removing the lower limits, and just call our the overreaching EU.

A bit like we don’t deport EU migrates that don’t find work, but could if  we wish. The reason we don’t is it will cost more to police a system that. Now we will need a system to police the would of thd nation, everything coming in and out. Which will alome cost more than the EU membership (probably). That’s with out traffic costs and economic decline.

I know a couple of people that voted out of Europe to stop Middle East refugees. I did mention the middle east wasn’t part of Europe so it won’t stop them. They don’t have the brain cells to comprehend that much info in one go.

I also know a fwlew that voted out to get rid of DC.well that worked out well didn’t it!

And one special lady that voted out cos some celebrity said she was. She use to talk to my wife at school. Wife has avoided her since. I don’t mind people having different opinions, but when youre taking political advice of housewives of London, I draw the line.

[Bob Williams]

I agree with most of your summation regarding the smaller, lighter drones Ed, but there is always the chance of even a small drone entering a turbofan intake, with disastrous consequences.

Steve I had a similar experience with someone local, who at the time of the referendum vote asked me which way I voted, to be told that my vote was between myself and the ballot box. In a bitter, vitriolic reply, he then said “That will stop all the (obscenity) Muzzies coming here!”

I pointed out that would only apply to followers of Islam who were born in an EU country, and perhaps not even those, not the vast numbers who were born in a British Commonwealth country, or a British Dependency. I think I hurt his brain, he walked away shaking his head to ease the pain.

 

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Dave Rice]

Bob, there is no chance of something that small getting anywhere near never mind in an engine. You’re talking about toys with no range at all and no power behind them. As much chance of an RC car causing a pile up on the motorway. It’s the old knee jerk reaction.

Much worry hereabouts with the Airbus declaration, something I’ve mentioned consistently since the start of all this but it’s still being dismissed by the fingers in ears brigade. I wonder if Lord Snooty will take a short trip up the A38 to debate his strategy at the factory gates?

[PlaneMan]

Dave Rice wrote:

Bob, there is no chance of something that small getting anywhere near never mind in an engine.

That.

Small drones get very unstable very quick. Get to close to a wall and they get ‘sucked in’. Same for a ceiling. Can also happen outside with a bit of foliage.

I am aware of someone, friend of a friend type thing, that does drone photography/ videos for some big names, Red Bull, Honda and so on. He’s had drones knocked out from 50 foot height by a powerboat. About £5k in the drink. He’s also had drones just stop responding. The GoPro Karma was/is famous for this.

Anything small enough to avoid radar or peeps on the ground would be wrecked in no time. IMO if you were going to carry out a terrorist attack  a drone would be daft now, everyone is looking for them. A big, fast, gasser helicopter would be the way to go. Might confuse the radar operators enough to let some security slide.

[Bob Williams]

You’re probably right about that Dave, but my fear is that some terrorist bunch (or a loner) get hold of a larger drone and use it to attack at a smaller airport.

I read the Airbus declaration with despair. More and more companies and organisations moving from the UK: how do the Brexiteers square the fact that their misplaced patriotism and head in the sand attitude is going to bring our country to ruin?

It looks like the West of the UK is going to suffer more than the East. All the Humber work by EU based companies is still going ahead. However, one company, the Danish group Ørsted, has now packed up the massive works they had just off the A16, albeit only because the project is finished.

http://tinyurl.com/y7dz4hu8

Nearest to me: http://tinyurl.com/y7d7vwqd

Scroll down to the map, click on 14, see No.2 on the East Coast.

That No.2 windfarm was cabled through to the A16 facility, about halfway between Louth and Grimsby. The power was then fed to the National Grid and powers a large number of Lincolnshire homes. It was massive, but now the work is finished, all that is left is a large tarmacked area. Happened overnight: I drove up to Grimsby one morning, there was a Highways warning about overnight road closure. I drove up again next afternoon and it was completely gone. Apparently the workers were offered jobs in another Ørsted facility on the Humber, and most went. Workers around Lincolnshire are well used to traveling for work.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Ed P]

I very much doubt if a roughly 20 gram 6cms CX-10C (flight duration ~3mins) could even fly as high as a big box kite (which are not banned!). It would lose radio contact well before a kite’s height. Even modding the aerial to hell, a range of 118ft is as much as it gets before the tiny drone tips upside down and crashes to the ground.

Bob larger drones >250 grams are banned under EU regs it is only idiot UK regs that include smaller toys!

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Hmm. The number of Arab muslims in Wembley has more than trippled in the last 10 years and they are mostly the proud owners of an EU passport.

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