Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Pitty, the EU also have a sale on though.

One mud coloured Donkey for rent. Contract period unknown, deposit only £39 billion. Answers to the name of Brexit deal ?

 

[The VFM Addict]

Now come on we all know how much the EU needs that money so why begrudge it to them.  After all they have just increased Drunker’s Salary to 32,700 (tax free) Euro’s a month.

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[Ed P]

I do not begrudge high salaries for Civil Servants and Politicians provided it is accompanied by intrusive and detailed examination of theirs and their family’s income and assets. Of course if they do anything to move into a grey area they should meet the full force of a law that expropriates all their assets and any unexplained family assets.

This is public Government life ‘Singapore Style’  and goes with painful revelations on all public media – they are all hounded if caught with a finger in the till!

Unfortunately the West isn’t at that point.

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[The VFM Addict]

Ed P wrote:

I do not begrudge high salaries for Civil Servants and Politicians provided it is accompanied by intrusive and detailed examination of theirs and their family’s income and assets. Of course if they do anything to move into a grey area they should meet the full force of a law that expropriates all their assets and any unexplained family assets. This is public Government life ‘Singapore Style’ and goes with painful revelations on all public media – they are all hounded if caught with a finger in the till! Unfortunately the West isn’t at that point. [edit] sorry highlighting and underlining do not seem to work

What point looking for or tracking an EU officers’ financial probity or rather impropriety?   This is the EU.    EU officers are immune from prosecution in all EU states.   So even if you find and can prove dodgy financial dealings there are no consequences.   BTW this immunity continues after they leave office and would continue in the UK under May’s deal.    I can’t recall the relevant paragraphs but they are there in the 586 page deal because I remember reading them.

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[The Duke]

I don’t see 32k a month too much for a person in his position. Its under 400k a year, hardly a fortune.

I recall as a kid finding out the pm only got about 70k a year (pronaly about 1988ish), even though a lot then, its seemed to low a figure the role even for a 10 year old.

[Dave Rice]

The US president is paid $400,000 a year, plus an extra expense allowance of $50,000 a year, a $100,000 non-taxable travel account and $19,000 for entertainment. Each former president receives the same salary as a current member of the Presidential Cabinet ~$200k + staff costs. So Juncker’s salary seems about right.

Our MPs and PM are far too low, but they all make it up by other means. Which may be why they’re not too keen on restricting Board members salaries as that’s where a lot end up.

[Bob Williams]

Rees-Mogg Is not understood by (I would guess) about 85% of the British public. Sat in a local pub a couple of weeks ago, watching TV until the game came on. All you could hear was “WTF is he talking about?” to “What an upper class twit.”

Gone to watch Derby vs. Forest.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Bob Williams]

Well that was a cracking game, we hit the woodwork several times and so did the other team. Finished 0-0 and was a credit to both teams, although there was a lot of Thud & Blunder. We are one place outside the Play-offs in 7th. COYR’s!

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Dave Rice]

His wealth will make Junckers look like a rounding error. Some interesting stuff on Steve Baker here http://tinyurl.com/yd79j3gs

And they complain about Labour getting contributions from workers Union subs! But then the Union always put deals they’d negotiated on our behalf to us to ratify, or not. If they’d hadn’t done particularly well they didn’t put it off until we had the choice of accepting it or nothing.

[The VFM Addict]

Louth and Horncastle currently with highest percentage of electorate signing the rapidly growing Hard Brexit petition.   Petition Here.   Clickable Map by Constituency Here.

What surprises me is the high percentage in port areas such as Dover.    Can’t all be Caterers looking to sell tea and hot dogs if there are huge motorway lorry parks………LOL

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[Dave Rice]

So you really think that No Deal is the best outcome for this country?

[The VFM Addict]

Yep!

Although I’m not totally against May’s deal if the EU allows us to unilaterally get out of the backstop when we see fit.  After all we are the one’s who would be bombed if we got it wrong and re-sparked the troubles, aren’t we?   So sure as hell we wouldn’t ditch the backstop until we were certain our new border fix was adequate.

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[Ed P]

My concern wrt the Irish Border is our Government’s seeming reliance on the miracle of modern technology (as implemented by Fast Fail, slowly learn b-all Government IT scrums). For an example see the 100% failure rate of the vaunted use of ‘bleeding edge’ facial recognition to help further cuts in the Police. ElReg Link

Re your preference for a Hard Brexit. Watch the link given by Steve and post why it is wrong! It passes muster as a VERY dangerous negotiating ploy (EU are almost equally hurt) but that is about all.

[Dave Rice]

Well we’ll know who to come to for explanations.

[The VFM Addict]

@Ed

I agree to some extent.  But as I said I can’t see the UK pulling out of the backstop until we were confident our border solution was adequate to prevent the troubles reigniting.  After all during the troubles I don’t recall any significant terrorist acts in EIRE or the EU.   So it is only the UK that is at risk were the troubles to reignite, isn’t it?   WE are the one’s with the greatest motivation to ensure they do not.  So logically the backstop should be under our control.

Of course May’s deal is just the withdrawal agreement.   The only way we can negotiate the trade deals after that on a level footing is if we don’t have a gun (i.e. the lock-in backstop) to our head.

The way that Baker and Mogg u-turned yesterday having confidence in May tells me that its been made clear to them that she will now either get the EU controlled backstop removed or go No Deal.   The ball is in the EU’s court as I see it now.

PS – As the UK pivots today towards No Deal as a likely/credible option let’s watch the currency markets closely.

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[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Its not a ploy though Ed. I voted out because I want OUT. The dealing comes after we leave, as the EU have always said (Quote their guidelines for negotiations which they have not varied from). We should have been doing the ground work for this instead of trying to get the EU to change its constitution and allow us super special membership.

[Dave Rice]

There has to be a transition period from where we are now to wherever we are going to end up. Common bloody sense tells you that.

Beware what you wish for, the backlash is coming and it will come from all sides as this is not what the majority voted for. The Dunkirk spirit will evaporate once reality bites.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

This is NOT what the majority voted for no. We voted to get OUT. I only saw in or out on the ballot paper, shake it all about was not listed.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

And another thing. You cant have a second “peoples vote” on an issue until you have done what they told you to do in the first one. They asked us and we TOLD them.

[The Duke]

I’d like a final vote on the leave deal. That’s the only proper domocratic way. If we still end up with leave, I’d settle for that.

I wouldn’t happy but fair enough. At least we know the majority had has time to make a proper decision. Alot of people I know, had no idea what they was voting for, and voted based on lies. This can apply to both leave and remain voters.

Though I don’t know anyone that has gone from remain to leave, but know plenty that has gone the other way now they realise it will adversely effect them, and that the immigrants are actually net contributors, and not a drain like the red top would have you believe.

There is literally no upside to leaving. Non at all.

I know two people, (parents form the kids school, that voted to  get rid of the pakies (that’s a direct quote), I pointed out India or Pakistan wasn’t in the EU, but the penny still didn’t drop. And I know a fair few that just used the ref as a protest vote to get rid of DC. It worked, but at what cost?

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