Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Bob Williams]

Ed P wrote:

Bob Williams wrote:

” In fact it is a common occurrence for democracies to periodically have repeat chances to cast a vote. ”

Ed, I did not supply this quote, you gave it in your post 26242 above. I was actually quoting your own words. In addition, you gave General Elections as a voting example, when I was speaking about referenda. Therefore you did not answer my plea to tell me when there was a repeated referendum in the UK.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Alan Wood]

Personally can’t really see the difference between a referendum and a general election in terms of  expressing a political preference. We generally elect someone who represents out political feelings in terms of a specific party which most represents us. The problem at the moment is that neither of the 2 main  parties has a clear policy which is agreed across the whole party. the Lib Dems are the only party united in their view. In the circumstances where the two main parties are completely split and thus even a change of government will resolve nothing. In those circumstances a repeat referendum is the only way to resolve the issue based on the deal available at that time.

Personally I can’t see any valid reason for not holding a second referendum when the facts are known. I can understand why the Brexiteers are against it as their original victory might be overturned so are fearful of a rerun so I find it hypocritical for them to keep spouting “Democracy”. Situations change in life and so do people’s opinions so why are they scared to put the decision back to the people when the final deal information is available.

[RSB]

Less of the: I could not let that pass ?

Americans: Over Sexed, Over Payed and Over here, Wat Wat!

[Dave Rice]

Not much has changed in 12 months!

[Bob Williams]

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[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Technically the vote we just had was a repeat of the 1975 referendum Alan. It was 40 odd years before anyone asked if we were still happy with the result. It turns out we were not and I think we should be asked again in another 40 years in case we change our minds again.

[Ed P]

Why we would change our minds Graham if no-one lied to us?

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Oh I don’t know Ed. Maybe in the future the EU leaders will stop acting like a bunch of dictators and transform the EU into a fantasticly successful democratic institution. You never know.

[The Duke]

Given a fantastic demo doesn’t exist and can’t ,I doubt it. I’d bet on ours messing it up even more, and it us going crowing back, and getting an even worse deal than we have today. Which isn’t a bad deal at all.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

This isn’t brexit related and I am sorry but I can’t resist.

Some of Corbyn’s supporters are calling for a boycot of the Guardian ! Apparently if you can’t agree with 100% of what the Labour party gets up to then you cant say anything at all.

[Bob Williams]

Wheels-Of-Fire wrote:

This isn’t brexit related and I am sorry but I can’t resist. Some of Corbyn’s supporters are calling for a boycot of the Guardian ! Apparently if you can’t agree with 100% of what the Labour party gets up to then you cant say anything at all.

Perhaps a pointer to what form of ‘democracy’ we might get under a Corbyn Labour government. The rabid extreme Left are rising again.

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I'm out.

[Dave Rice]

Well at least it’s only a newspaper. Rabid Brexiteer Some over excited Conservative MPs (not just supporters) were at the judiciary and the Lords because they didn’t agree with them (many after staunchly defending them before when they did agree with them). That’s a bit more constitutional in impact than an opinion column or even the BBC.

IIRC the more excitable parts of the right wing press even went so far as to call them ‘Enemies of the people’.

“We want UK judges deciding on UK legal matters!” – UK judges decide on UK legal matters. “ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE!”

[The Duke]

Which is worse a boycott of a news papers, or sensering hole parts of the Internet.

All just as bad as each other.

[Ed P]

The Duke wrote:

sensering hole parts of the Internet..

That puts a very different meaning on touchy-feely vlogs.

Oooh-er vicar there are a lot of Conservative public-school types who would just love that, no matter how it is spelt!?

[The Duke]

You know what I ment. All looks the same to me.

Sensoring whole parts of….

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

So the EU recons it would revoke our rebate if we somehow changed our minds and decided to stay in the EU ? No surprise there then as preliminary talks about abolishing our rebate were already well underway before we voted to leave.

[Dave Rice]

I think this is called posturing and negotiation. If you jump on every little thing as good or bad you’re probably wasting your time.

I think the time has come to let them get on with it and see what comes out, the potential red lines on all sides are now well known. There’s a lot of suicidal crap coming out of the DUP amongst others about sabotaging a vote. Suits me, bring the General Election on asap and let’s get it sorted one way or the other.

One thing’s for sure we cannot carry on as we are with one side or the other holding the county to ransom for their own ends. Ironically most of it seems to be Leave vs Leave and not Leave vs Remain. Of course their conflicting aims are exactly what was voted for and the “will of the people”. It reminds me of God being on all sides in a war according to the priests of that faction.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Ah yes the DUP. If Mrs May thinks she can bribe or bully them into accepting  a customs border down the middle of the Irish sea then she really doesnt know them very well.

[Dave Rice]

Someone objects to every plan that’s been devised and they can all bring the Govt down. The DUP can’t even work out how to govern in their own jurisdiction. Clearly they are just obsessed with their own views and to hell with what they are there for, to administer for the good of their constituents.

[Ed P]

What REALLY annoys me about both a hard & a soft Brexit is the completely untrue claim that we will have full control over our borders.As usual a load of lying politicians.

Unless we cast Northern Ireland off into an Irish never-never land, the Ulster/Eire border will remain as a completely open border between a (disjointed) UK and the ravening hordes that Faragh claimed would come from the EU.

This is the real elephant in the room that the media and MPs are deliberately not bringing to the attention of the public!.

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