Brexit now = CETA +/-?

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

The FT may just as well rename itself For Themselves. Along with the CBI and the chancellor they are more worried about the loss of cheap eastern european labour than anything else.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

It is also a fact that young people turn into older people and change their minds. Once outside the brainwashing enclave of our education system and into the world of self supporting work the penny usually drops. Unless ofcourse they never leave and become teachers.

[Ed P]

Because the Nation no longer needs cannon-fodder the young are no longer subject to the constant jingoistic propaganda that bombarded me when I was young. Today the kids are taught to think for themselves and not to accept presented ‘facts’ without question. I suspect that you will not see any increasing trends in jingoism as today’s generations age.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Sadly I was in the second generation to enter the comprehensively bad system. The “facts” they tried to teach me all came from the Karl Marx book of good ideas. Jingoism was long gone, replaced by a loathing for all things British. We are the route of all evil in the world don’t you know ?

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Oh yeh. Our salvation is to forget our past and to be absorbed into a huge bureaucracy where we can do no further harm.

[The Duke]

Sadly that looks true. The WTO is going to be a hell of ride. Far easier to negotiate with 27 nations than about 160. We will be on 3rd party tarrifs for about 15 years.

[Dave Rice]

Who says we needed saving?

We probably will do when we’re the sick man of Europe again. I was a teenager in the 70s and I don’t remember any sunny uplands. All our prosperity has come since we’ve been in the EU but it was (and is) centred in the South East. Leaving won’t redress that it’ll probably just make it worse.

Who is going to be putting the capital in to provide better paid jobs in these deprived areas? Not Westminster.

Newlyn Fish market EU funding: £1.3m

Extension to Bickland Industrial Park, Falmouth EU funding: £3.4m

A30 Carland – Chiverton Cross EU funding: £8m Match-funding: £2m

Delivering research, development and innovation in marine technology EU funding: £6.9m

A30 Business Park phase 1 EU funding: £2.7m Total funding: £3.1m

Aerohub Enterprise Zone EU funding: £4.4m Cornwall Council funding: £3.2m

CETO Wave Energy EU funding: £9.6m

Cornwall Business Start-up EU funding: £5.9m

Cornwall New Energy EU funding: £2.7m

Cultivator Business Support EU funding: £2m ESF (European Social Fund) investment: £998,975

Engagement and activity for the unemployed EU funding: £12.9m

Export for Growth EU funding: £2.4m

Family and Community Essential Skills ESF investment: £540,111

Financial Readiness Project ERDF (European Regional Development Fund) investment: £2,984,900

Hall For Cornwall – QuayWorks ERDF investment: £2.1m

Integrated Territorial Investment (ITI) Support team EU funding: £3m ESF investment: £1.9m

Invest in Cornwall EU funding: £1.7m

Isles of Scilly Technical Assistance EU funding: £617,337

Isles of Scilly Voucher Scheme ERDF investment: £1.4m

Jubilee Pool Geothermal Heat Project ERDF investment: £1.5m

Launchpad EU investment: £9.8m

Outset Cornwall EU investment: £3.4m

Local Manufacturing Advisory Programme EU investment : £124,932

Skills for Young People ESF investment £1.3m

St Erth Multi Modal Hub ERDF investment: £5.4m

Superfast Business ERDF investment: £3m

Supported Pathways for Progressive Employment – Business Sector Led ESF investment: £2.6m

Supported Pathways for Progressive Employment – Individuals in the Workforce ESF investment: £2.6m

Upskilling the Voluntary Community and Social Enterprise Sector ESF investment: £730,000

Unlocking Innovation Potential (UIP) EU investment: £3.7m

Widening Participation through Skills ESF investment £1.5m

And no we won’t be able to use the money going to the EU to make up the shortfall, that’s all going to the NHS. Oh and in Truro Bojo told the farmers and fishermen they would be getting it too.

[Ed P]

Wheels-Of-Fire wrote:

… We are the route of all evil in the world don’t you know ?

Not if you have spent a lot of time working overseas. There are probably almost an equal number of foreign nationals who see that Britain accomplished a lot of good things as those that revile us. Britain’s investments in infrastructure are still in use. (Mainly the railways) as are  laws and systems of governance. In comparison with all other colonists (esp Portugal and the US) we are viewed as positively saintly.

However by being a lackey to the US we have probably squandered much of that good will.

[The Duke]

Us and the US are the poster child’s of evil now.

I was just watching some RT (yes it Russian bias), but it’s really interesting how they was painting our politicians as morons, and the referendum as frogilent. Or rather fought on frogilent terms.  I cant deny that I didn’t agree with them.

The whole world is now looking at us as morons. We (royal we) are Sat here thinking the EU are the baddies, but the EU and the rest of the world are looking on thinking WFT are they doing.

Like me, they can’t fathem why we are committing economical suicide. It’s totally madness. Was is even funnier, Wales is propped up by the EU, but they voted to leave too. Madness.

Turkeys voting for Xmas, comes to mind. Oh well we are on the train now, let’s see where it stops.

Thinking of trains, the up side will be the daft h20 or whatever it’s called, should be shuttered now. Stupid waste of cash anyhow. Spend it getiign every on gigabit up and down Internet. Better than saving 30mins on a 3h train trip.

[Bob Williams]

Dave, the investment is moving, has moved; East to the Humber Ports. Over here not a month goes by without a new European-based company moving in and planning more work. The daft thing is, this area of Lincolnshire and East Yorkshire voted disproportionately for Leave- go figure, as the Yanks say?. I was worried about my grandchildren’s future prospects if all these German, Danish, Norwegian and French companies left, but all are staying and have built and are working on some extensive projects. Engineering was always almost as big as agriculture in Lincolnshire, but is becoming bigger, especially since Siemens built a huge new Renewables factory on the Humber and matched that with a new Engineering campus at Lincoln Uni.

Kids here are getting opportunities never available before: new smaller supply factories are being setup. The knock on is expanding our county and even sleepy old Louth has a fast-expanding population, with new housing planned.

All we need now is for Central Gov to get off its backside and listen to our MP’s about our 20th century infrastructure to sort out our truck-choked roads, which need more dual carriageways and bypasses.

Even out of the EU, these firms are staying. The future looks good here, but who knows what will happen 20 years down the line?

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

You know I was only talking about the self flagellating ideas being pushed by our education system these days Ed. There is still an amazing amount of good will for us in the rest of the world. In Thailand you will get service with a spit if they think you are American but it changes to 5 star once they find out you are British.

Following on Duke, there are a large number of countries who can’t believe we stayed shackled to the EU for so long. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and most of the commonwealth have been unable to have the trade deals they want with us for years.

 

[Dave Rice]

Why do we want to ship products half way around the world that can be found on our doorstep or are already included in the current trade deal with them?

i.e. what are the things that are missing?

[Ed P]

Dave the theory is that lonely little Britain will be able to cut better trade deals than the much larger EU market – huh!

In reality it is all about control, and the Rees Moggs of this world wanting to keep the control in their own tight little fists, without big-brother EU raising objections on behalf of the community. As usual with politicians look for self-interest way before that of the electorate at large.

[Ed P]

A great reason to have a  referendum to reject Brexit is that the EU are going to have permanent summer, no more winter times! Truly a statement worthy of the great Bojo dissembler! (link)

[Bob Williams]

Ed P wrote:

A great reason to have a referendum to reject Brexit is that the EU are going to have permanent summer, no more winter times! Truly a statement worthy of the great Bojo dissembler! (link)

Read that this morning before setting out to the Crem and say goodbye to a great old mate, Ed.

That link will be Lead Balloon time up here in the North, especially Scotland. I suspect that Scandinavia will not be impressed either, despite Finland first proposing and putting the idea to a Petition. Now the EU is ignoring both the curvature of the planet and its axial rotation angle, which gives us our seasons. Bitter laughter from here, where our nights will be longer but winter days will be darker for longer. Not here, please: leave us alone with our Daylight Saving Time, EU bureaucrats.

When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.

[Ed P]

As I said in my post – A Bojo-like statement that makes a good sound-bite but totally ignores any drawbacks.

[Dave Rice]

Surely we will go to double summer time, like in the good old days?

Just reading up I found that we tried staying on summer time all year from 68 to 71. I don’t remember that at all but my bedtime would have been 8pm back then. Apparently everyone hated the dark mornings, not just oop north.

[The Duke]

That’s a shame. The whole changing of the clock things I’ve always found pointless. Though today all clock change themselves, so I sometimes don’t notice.

Anyone been watching the 3 men in a pub youtube series. It’s quite good at outlining some issues of leaving the EU.

I have tried to find some pro brexit stuff, but everyone I’ve watched, have no stats or facts to back up theirs BS. Just alot of slogans, and feelings. I want to find a good pro brexit, as I’d like to see why people still want it. Feelings don’t count. I don’t even care for my own feelings. I like facts and figures.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Berxit in its self is basically just an enabler Duke, its what we do with it when/if we get it that will count. In the meantime though we will not have to keep paying to be told what to do and there will be no new BS EU directives to implement.

[Dave Rice]

If you want to trade with someone then you have to agree some rules around standards, that’s what the EU is primarily about. Do we all have the same H & S regulations, the ones often quoted as the EU gone mad? A quick trip to Europe soon tells you it’s what WE add to the EU rules (EU rules are a baseline) that are the things most often ridiculed in the press.

We are not “told what to do” we have a seat at the table and massive influence on decision making. Things more often than not have gone our way. We get back in economic growth far more than we pay into the club, as we will be finding out shortly.

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