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  • #19790
    The DukeThe Duke
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      @sgb101
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      The issue is humans have a knack of wanting to kill each other. Do we trust all parameters set will be “for the best”? I don’t.

      I can easily see a day, when we realise it’s out, and can’t be put back in its bottle.

      We would need an global effort to cut all power and disconnect all computers. Which now is impossible.

      I also have plans one day to start a clonal nitting day (as in head lice). When the kids was younger, it would enjoy me that it seemed a monthly ritual. Alway thought if the whole world nitted, we could fix the issue once and for l all. Though at £15 a bottle I doubt the producers would like to market ‘globle nitting day’.

      Bit of a tangent, but it’s always bugged me. Also grosses me out. I was an only child with a skin head (by mother), so I’d never encountered the things till I had kids. Yuk.

      #19792
      Ed PEd P
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        @edps
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        In addition to your fears Steve, there are also how-to articles on how to hack and subvert learning systems by feeding in malign data.

        You only have to think about when Microsoft released their AI chatbot to the public. It took just hours for it to turn into a raving racist misogynist. link It probably says more about the destructive side of human nature than anything else.

        #19793
        Ed PEd P
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          @edps
          Forumite Points: 39

          You can add to the above Facebook’s people manipulation AI. Just think what happens if some nutters subvert that system! link

          #19794
          RichardRichard
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            @sawboman
            Forumite Points: 16

            By coincidence news of a new quality of life AI decision-maker came out last week. This detects a disease of the eye and can be used for diagnosis by unqualified people – though of course the medical mafia do not abdicate their control. However, this one produces verifiable results so while the software is designed to be autonomous it can at least be audited to see if it produces the correct answers. “… This means that the technology can be used by a nurse or doctor who’s not an eye specialist, making diagnosis more accessible. For example, patients wouldn’t need to wait for an eye specialist to be available to get a diagnosis. ” However it is yet another job at risk!

            I am no way sure that I can agree with your assessment ‘However it is yet another job at risk!’, unless it might put a few white stick and guild dog trainers on short time. Currently a great deal of specialist work is done, not by doctors, but by specifically trained technicians some of whom have skills and training equal to or superior to those of doctors. Some (including some doctors) sadly do not aspire to such higher sill levels. Automating aspects of the medical industry has been doing on for many years, a fact welcomed by the surgeon who performed my cataract surgery, quote: ‘This used to be a slowly evolving industry, now new improvements come along every three months.‘ His office was filled with machines, several of which were already seen as being more museum fodder than ‘front line’ tools. He rejoiced at the progress of giving people back good quality sight far faster and easier – though not entirely cheaper!

            One medical centre had a not very modern machine that could batch process 40 results at a time, the obsolete wetware could only load and run one at a time. Wonder why medicine often features long waits for news? Happily the machine is still there, but the dinosaur has (been) moved on along with their partner in crime(s). I do not know the specific condition which can be diagnosed by your AI device set, but I am aware of some that require minimal specific training to detect and which do respond to early detection. Treatment is where the log jam is often encountered and anything that can improve the flow rate of successful treatments is to be welcomed.

            I have to declare a personal and therefore an emotional connection to the need for earlier diagnosis of otherwise hard to spot conditions especially when all clears may ‘accidentally’, (i.e. not through negligence) be declared due to current weaknesses in detection processes.

            #19797
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              @grahamdearsley
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              Here is a bit of a fork but I think it fits in with AI.

              I once read somewhere or saw it somewhere that one definition of life is ” An enttity that performs at least one purely selfish action”.

              That would cover all things we reguard as living but rule out all current machines because they do as the are told.

              #19805
              RichardRichard
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                @sawboman
                Forumite Points: 16

                Here is a bit of a fork but I think it fits in with AI. I once read somewhere or saw it somewhere that one definition of life is ” An enttity that performs at least one purely selfish action”. That would cover all things we reguard as living but rule out all current machines because they do as the are told.

                In that case almost every device I have bought in the last few years must qualify! They always take time off when it suits them and not when it suits me!

                #19806
                The DukeThe Duke
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                  @sgb101
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                  Windows must be the most advanced AI, if we are judging them on being selfish. Though with 10 I’ve found it much better than any version of Windows since pre xp.

                  #19818
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                    @grahamdearsley
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                    <p style=”text-align: left;”>Well im not so sure rich. This was not my idea but maybe your devices really do hate you ???</p>

                    #19819
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                      @grahamdearsley
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                      Format codes included ? What happened thete ?

                      #19820
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                        @grahamdearsley
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                        Must be me.

                        #19833
                        Ed PEd P
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                          @edps
                          Forumite Points: 39

                          I mentioned chaos theory earlier in the thread as being one reason why it was difficult to understand the output from neural networks. Remarkably Quanta magazine reports that AI has been able to make future predictions of chaotic behaviour. link

                          #19850
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                            @grahamdearsley
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                            Another interesting link Ed ?

                            #19855
                            Ed PEd P
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                              @edps
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                              Incidentally do not be tempted if you see Gates and Branson using AI for trading, especially if it carries a Bitcoin cachet.

                              Gates quote: “Gates also suggested that investing in the sector is a bad idea: “I think the speculative wave around ICOs and cryptocurrencies is super risky”.

                              Branson quote “Sir Richard Branson has warned that criminals are using his name to dupe people into buying fake investments.”

                              Caveat Emptor!

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