[Ed P]

Apart from your shopping it was good news day – only 20,000 deaths — that would be marvellous if true. With a population of 67million, and 80% get it, that is roughly 50 million people infected. Even if we match the best in the World (South Korea), their CFR of 0.3% would result in 150,000 deaths.

Methinks either the Government is telling porkies or they have a new strategy – Bang up completely all the vulnerable and then let the disease run rip for 3 months would be a strategy that might work. But it would then require a total sealing of the UK’s borders for another 18 months or until a vaccine is available.

[JayCeeDee]

PlaneMan wrote:

I’ve tried to get a delivery slot but there is nothing available, not even click and collect from any supermarket (as of 5pm anyway).

That’s the ridiculous part of the equation. We are being told to self-isolate, but in order to facilitate that instruction, we need food, so need to ( go out and ) shop.

We shouldn’t go out (as per advice/instruction ) but we can’t get a food delivery. I’ve just tried Tesco online and there are no delivery slots up to 14th April, so at least more than three weeks to wait. Their web page is sh*t telling you that if you’re vulnerable to add a note to the delivery instructions, but you can’t proceed as there are only three tabs to go for, one week each.

Don’t get me wrong, we’ve been shopping and have an adequate supply for at least 2 -3 weeks, and we can still go out, but how can those who have to stay in cope without the help of others, who are already busy helping the vulnerable category of folks??

It ain’t easy!!!” :negative: :scratch:

[PlaneMan]

JCD, technically I shouldn’t go out because of my medication for my arthritis. It’s the same stuff that some chemotherapy patients have but in a lower dose.

I’ve spoken with both my GP and my consultant and they both said don’t go out if possible. Thing is I have no choice. Mum gets really ill quick if she gets a cold, not life threatening but bad enough to make her almost useless as a carer, which she is for her fella. He has bad COPD, so he can’t go anywhere ATM.

I have to shop for them. There’s no-one else in the family who’s geographically close enough.

I might also go the long way round to their house from the supermarket. Just because of what the traffic used to be like, OFC. Not because there are some great B roads with national speed limits that my little car was built for…….. :whistle: :good:

[JayCeeDee]

PM – I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t go out ( in case that was what you were thinking I said ) but was just rallying against the system that on one hand tells you to do one thing and on the other puts obstacles – or doesn’t remove them ) in your path to prevent you from doing it!!

Not because there are some great B roads with national speed limits that my little car was built for……..

That’s what internal combustion engines were invented for!!!

[Dave Rice]

I just tried Ocado again and I don’t know if it’s because I’m a long term Smart Pass subscriber or things have slackened off, but I got a slot for tomorrow evening any time I wanted after 4pm.

Big relief as the Mrs was just getting changed to go to Tesco which she really didn’t want to do, for many reasons Tesco related not just the current situation. Not much on offer, lots out of stock, but I got 99% of what I wanted so no complaints.

However I am determined to keep up the support of the local small businesses who are offering delivery services. The quality is so much better and the prices aren’t that much more.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

Putting this here because it doesn’t deserve a new thread and this one is most popular at the moment 😁

I finally resolved my dispute with PayPal and got my money back (£198) so I have now lifted my ban on using them and subscribed to Forumite.

You will all just have to suffer my wit and wisdom again 😂

[RSB]

:yahoo: :good:

Americans: Over Sexed, Over Payed and Over here, Wat Wat!

[JayCeeDee]

Wheels-Of-Fire wrote:

You will all just have to suffer my wit and wisdom again 😂

Congrats on resolving the case, welcome back, and don’t worry , we’ll cope somehow!! :yes:

[Ed P]

Some interesting data resources.

The first shows that the UK is making a pretty poor effort compared to South Korea and China

The second is a generalised resource that plots just about everything Covid-19 related against something else. Again this shows that the UK is pretty poor in terms of the Total Confirmed Cases vs Total Confirmed deaths.

All in all a very useful resource to counteract UK Government BS, and to use when someone tries to compare it with seasonal flu.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

In my opinion the study of statistics is a waste of time and effort.

IF you can get accurate figures then a quick look at the raw data can give you a feel for what’s going on but trying to use mathematical methods to get finer detail is usually pointless.

There are just so many methods to choose from, even the average could be the mean, the mode or the median.

[Wheels-Of-Fire]

My favorite way of calculating the national average wage would be to do the mean and then discard the figures for anyone earning more than double or less than half of that before doing the mean again. No government does it like that though because the result is too low for their liking.

[Ed P]

I think we are in agreement that we need data, and we need to find good ways of processing that data into information. As often quoted – “If you don’t know where you are, how do you know which direction to go?”. sadly due to underfunding of the NHS we do not even know how many people have already had covid-19. From comprehensive testing in Wuhan and Vo (Italy) we now know that 60-80% of people have the virus with no or few symptoms but are infectious as hell.

We also now know that the peak of infectivity is in the day before there are any obvious symptoms and before they feel ill.

We also know that the virus can be spread not just be infecting surfaces but less often by sneezing and spreading the virus around in the air.

When spread around the virus lasts for a long time on cardboard (24 hours) and weeks on hard surfaces. (I shall in future IPA spray my Amazon parcels). BBC link

There is a lot of information around, except it is rarely compiled into a useful information source, or updated to reflect new knowledge. This week’s New Scientist made a useful effort in putting together some of this critical information, on who spreads the virus and when, and how long do these virus particles last. It is a great shame that the Government continues to churn out dated information rather than taking into account the new information that is available. For example … other health authorities, have emphasised that both washing one’s hands and cleaning and disinfecting frequently touched surfaces daily are key in preventing Covid-19’s spread.

 

[JayCeeDee]

There is a god – Dominic Cummings is showing symptoms!!!!

[JayCeeDee]

In case the above sounded like gloating, it was more of a natural justice for his/their unfeeling herd immunity stance initially.

[Dave Rice]

Gloat away, no problems with that here. It clearly shows how infectious this is and how the Govt have not been following their own instructions.

TBH I am fully expecting to catch this at some time, I just hope that’s at the time the NHS can cope with it.

[Ed P]

As no-one has immunity, everyone will catch it until there is a vaccine that works.

I would not be too surprised if I had not already caught it on February 9th, given my proximity to the South Coast and the people returning to Hove/East Sussex.

[JayCeeDee]

I’m impressed by the Positive Pressure inhaler, that might mitigate the need for invasive ventilation.

Out of patent, reverse engineered, improved, re-designed and manufactured with type approval. All within a week.

Oxford University, UCLH hospital and Mercedes F1. A truly typical British collaboration!!

Details HERE .

[Ed P]

About time, the UK is going to join the ranks of the other countries using mobile phone tracking data to fight the covid-19 virus.

I see that Data Protection has been standing in the way, but really that was no excuse. BoJo should have just added a phone tracking exemption to the emergency powers Act, but I guess like all the details this Government omits that one was one of the forgotten ones.

El Reg Link

[The Duke]

Far far to late now. South Korea nailed it, by implementing phone tracking from almost day 1.

It was that effective they traces the source to a church flock. And sent out msgs to all possible people that could of potentially come into contact with any potential carrier. All these people was tested (via drive though clinics. Of you passed you was fine, if you failed your past movments was traced and then others was contacted to come in for tests.

They had the advantage of the mers outbreak and the infrastructure in place.

To implement it here now is useless. At best a pr stunt.

Korea is the blue print for the future, on how to deal with outbreaks

[Ed P]

I disagree that it will be wasted,

I suspect that the Government will start lifting the restrictions on socialising within a month (far too early) as some breathing space in the NHS will be starting to emerge and by then the NIH Medical cartel will release the ‘wonder drug’ chloroquine phosphate for general use, which will of itself reduce the numbers in ICUs.

Of course this depends on them getting testing sorted out, — yet another story of Government incompetence and penny-pinching. If both these preconditions are met it would not surprise me if the Government did not use stick and carrot to extend the relaxation — you can go clubbing/pubbing and back to earning money provided that 40 million people sign up for this spy app….

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