Coronavirus, Corona Virus, Covid-19
Coronavirus – 2019-nCoV
Man Made yes or no?
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- Dont be silly Lee
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February 20, 2020 at 3:57 pm #40821
This guy is probably bang on the money. This study reports high presence of the virus in anal swabs. It could be the sanitation system in the Diamond Princess that is the culprit for the high infection rate.
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February 20, 2020 at 4:24 pm #40822I managed to obtain some Avloclor, however not without some more discussion with the pharmacist. The first 30secs smelt like a cya as he restated that my proposed use was quite unsanctioned and against his specific recommendations. He then asked under what circumstances I would take the medication. I think this was of interest to him rather than an interrogation before handing it over.
I told him that before I took any, the local NHS would have to be in a melt-down, I would then take it at the prescribed medication rate, but only after three days of dry coughs plus chills, followed by the onset of a fever. All the time continuing to bug NHS 111.
February 20, 2020 at 4:34 pm #40823If he supplied some following such then you plainly sold him on the rationale being sound. I would bet a pound to a penny that as a result he’s ordered in for himself by now. That’s pretty much the way it was with my pharmacist although having had many dealings with me before over 20 years and knowing my background I’m sure she was expecting that my rationale would indeed be robust.
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February 20, 2020 at 5:39 pm #40825You may have read something such as is said in this tweet to explain folks falling down suddenly in China. It is total carp.
ARD and Heart Failure do not develop instantly expect in cases of drowning or when someone inhales their one’s own vomit or is mechanically suffocated. Even a severe case of Covid-19 (new or re-infection) would not be so instant. A person who develops ARD and HF while going about their business would invariably have deteriorated over a few days or at least a few hours. And before such a collapse (as is seen in many China videos) would ever occur the person would already have been predominantly immobile and most likely already in medical care. Unlike a Heart Attack, Heart Failure is a slow process except in the suddenly traumatic circumstances I mentioned above.
It might well be that re-infection is possible with this virus and also that such does result in a more severe infection and worse prognosis. But it would not precipitate these sudden collapses effectively out of the blue and if it did certainly not by an ARD of HF mechanism. I can’t help but suspect that any and all collapses seen in the Far East under current circumstances get filmed and automatically blamed on Covid-19 even though they are caused in reality by faints, heart attacks or strokes totally unrelated to this virus.
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February 20, 2020 at 5:48 pm #40828Infected Covid-19 victims seem at extreme risk of sudden death in Iran. Far more so it seems than anywhere else on the planet. Now 9 very rapid deaths it seems. The cynic in me can’t help but suspect that the most effective life sustaining treatment for Covid-19 sufferers in Iran might possibly be a bullet proof vest. That or Iran has been raked with the virus for weeks and only declares an individual as positive minutes or seconds before they take their last breath.
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February 20, 2020 at 6:58 pm #40833One would think, irans containment policy is to get rid of the infected asap!
To be honest, if they done that in China this would of been over before it started. Though probaly a bit harsh.
February 20, 2020 at 7:17 pm #40834Lots of human traffic official or otherwise between Iran and Qatar. I’ll take a large bet that there will be no reported cases in Qatar.
February 20, 2020 at 8:08 pm #40835The National Geographic has a blow by blow picture of the way SARS-Covid-19 can attack every organ in your body. A very scary breakdown. Even more scary is their contention that covid-19 kills 23 times more infected people than does flu. It puts the UK media/Government shills in their place, but unfortunately our media seems to be under a D notice!
February 20, 2020 at 10:34 pm #40837I am particularly concerned by the CFR (Case Fatality Rate) of 2.3% seen in China. The UK’s population has a significantly older profile and with age generally comes far more co-existing medical conditions. I would therefore anticipate the CFR to be higher in the UK than in China due to age and co-morbidities.
As I said earlier when you mentioned taking zinc, adequate levels of such are vital because zinc plays a critical role in ensuring that our immune systems don’t over-react; which as your link also states is often the cause of a considerable amount of the damaging inflammation to our respiratory tract. My full preparatory supplement regimen for information includes Vitamin C, Magnesium, Zinc, Vitamin D and Iron (the latter being vital for the production of haemoglobin) and Omega 3 oil capsules. Yes, it is true that a healthy diet should provide all of such but if we end up in lock-down and with massive shortages in the shops then none of us will be eating healthily, will we? So ensuring adequate levels of those 6 ‘must haves’ by supplementing whatever non-perishable canned or packaged foods that we will in significant part be obliged to survive on, is prudent. Two non-perishable food stuffs that are particularly worth adding ready for any lock-down or shortages periods, simply because they are very high in vital anti-oxidants, are tinned prunes and dates. Of course doing all of such cannot guarantee survival but sure as heck deficiency in any of those required vitamins and minerals will definitely reduce one’s chances of making it through if one becomes infected. The Zinc and Magnesium is available and cheapest at Sainsbury’s and the rest available and cheapest at Lidl.
My biggest concerns once this hits will be visiting places at which the unwell will gather; Hospitals, GP surgeries and Pharmacies. Luckily my other half has no (vital) hospital appointments in the next 3 to 4 months; our GP takes repeat script requests by email and I know the quietest times at our local pharmacy to which the scripts are sent electronically by the GP. Its 10 seconds after they open in the morning. So I can limit my time in high risk zones to no more than a couple of minutes each month when picking up my other half’s fulfilled scripts from our local pharmacy. I’m lucky in that respect.
All in all I’m pretty much kitted and ready right now well before the panic and shortages start. Moreover I’d much rather not have to fight over the last pack of powered milk or toilet rolls, so its all done well in time; except for just a few beers perhaps. I’ll sort that tomorrow. 😀
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February 21, 2020 at 7:06 am #40839South Korea very rapidly losing control. South Korea announces 52 new COVID19 cases overnight alone, bringing the total number of infections in the country to 156. South Korea’s president states “It’s a very severe situation” referring to the rapidly fast spreading COVID-19 outbreak.
As usual not a mention on the BBC website. Still not sure how much of this is down ro pressure from HMG and how much is a case of not wanting to be clearly the one that fired the Panic Buying Starting Gun. Probably a bit of both.
The nature of one new case in Canada – the woman had recently returned from Iran – also suggests that Iran might indeed be raked with the virus. One experts I read, can’t remember where, said that given the 9 deaths Iran admits to already he couldn’t see how there could be less than 2,000 infected in Iran and there are probably far, far more. Iraq has restricted travel with Iran.
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February 21, 2020 at 7:51 am #40841Maybe the Government knows what it is doing, but unfortunately it looks like they have their heads up their nether ends. I would be much happier if they produced an action plan of steps they will take when the brown stuff hits the fan in the UK.
A simple measure that I would like to see introduced asap by the Government is a requirement that certain locations install alcohol gel hand-wash facilities. I would choose the places where people tend to congregate e.g. Food Supermarkets, Pharmacies, General Stores e.g. Wilko. I’d add sporting venues except I can see them being closed pretty soon. The BBC Pandemic program showed that extra hand washing halved the rate of spread for diseases and smeared out hospital peaks to a manageable level..
However we have the far right views of Dominic Cummings and his ilk in charge so all non-productive groups are instead doomed!
February 21, 2020 at 8:06 am #40842If you do buy Magnesium avoid the very cheap and virtually useless Magnesium Oxide tablets. This even has a low Mg++ bio-availability in healthy young people, the reduced gut function of old gits means that such pills are hardly absorbed at all.
By analogy to SARS and MERS the National Geographic article implied that the gut may play an important role in spreading the virus through the body. It will probably pay to minimise gut transit time by boosting fibre intake, +1 for prunes!
February 21, 2020 at 8:28 am #40843The dates are also in my book an absolute must have. Not only are they high in anti-oxidants and fibre they also have very high magnesium content, with being a food, very high bioavailability. Half a cup has over 30mg of Mg plus good levels of potassium also. They are one fruit that retains pretty much all of its benefits even when dried. But dates do have something of the Marmite love or hate divide about them. Fortunately they mix very well with nuts just as raisins do and the nuts also contain a lot of magnesium. So if one is not keen on dates this mix acts as a good disguise. Dates are very cheap in B&M stores at about 40p a tray and that’s under half the price you will pay elsewhere.
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February 21, 2020 at 8:42 am #40845For those wanting to boost magnesium (and some other vitamins and minerals) this page is a terrific quick swat tool and actually very readable/interesting. A few pumpkin seeds in with a dates and nuts mix works well and pumpkin seeds are also very high in magnesium. Adding a few small bits of dark chocolate enhances the mix even further both in taste and magnesium content.
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February 21, 2020 at 9:25 am #40848South Korea now knee-deep in this sh1te. Now up to 204 positive cases. So gone from 31 to 204 in 48 hours. Getting knee-deep that quick leads me to suspect they’ll by neck-deep within another 48 hours. Crikey, this virus is so damned infectious.
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February 21, 2020 at 9:46 am #40850…. Crikey, this virus is so damned infectious.
That being so, why haven’t we seen the same infection rates in this country?Many of those with covid-19 were wandering around in an infectious state for a number of days.
About the only real difference I know of between Asians and Caucasian/Africans is a much higher percentage of Blood Group B. The other thing is that public toilets in Asia are extremely dire places to visit.
Or dare I say it: the truth is once more being kept from us!
February 21, 2020 at 10:19 am #40852Oh the irony if this were a bioweapon developed by China which for some racial difference only severely impacted those of far east decent. Only joking really.
However, despite cases all across Europe there has been no numbers explosion in any EU (or past EU) state. Therefore it must to be one of three things. Either all of Europe has been incredibly lucky – or – there is some ethic variable that impedes transmission/severity – or – the whole of Europe’s political masters are keeping ‘kin quiet about the real numbers. I’m truly not sure which it is? Come to think of it there is another variable – the mainstay’s of each region’s diet. I’ll leave that hanging as I’m not an expert re such.
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February 21, 2020 at 10:27 am #40853WTF is going on. See this. I’ve heard nothing about it. Has anyone else? Might be as the rider posts suggest nothing of concern but any Wuhan links surely raise questions.
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February 21, 2020 at 11:16 am #40856It’s interesting at the very least.
Is this the Americans trying to get out in front of a stroty, twist thier own narrative? Or is it true, is it Chinese theft? Or it could it all be totally unrelated?
At the least the theories of the next few days will be fun.
February 21, 2020 at 2:27 pm #40863Chloroquine Phosphate manufacturing gearing up at a pace.
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