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After the “huge cheer” as Fiona Bruce described it from the Question Time audience this week to Isabel Oakeshott’s statement that No Deal was the way to go, who can doubt that there is a big appetite for such in the country. Anything less than a complete break with the EU will leave a high percentage of 17.4M Leave voters looking for more. With Tory and Labour both looking to maintain too many links literally millions of voters feel electorally homeless now that UKIP have gone quite insane under Batten. A ‘Brexit Party’ is needed. And what better a name, so that is what was applied for registration on 11 January. It has now been granted. And who better to lead than Mr Brexit himself. Yes, Nigel Farage.
Grieve, Boyes and Bercow have built and are now lighting many bonfires. As someone I know said to me this week we have reached what the Yanks call the “Let’s Roll” point.
Local groups are being organised and gearing up. Considerable numbers of those who are not normally political activists are coming forward to help, plus even some Tory Party Members jumping ship. There’s a real head of steam building amazingly rapidly. Hit particularly the heavily Leave voting constituencies and there are going to be a huge number of Labour and quite a few Tory MPs highly vulnerable.
“Let’s Roll” is an Americanism and I suspect that another will turn out to be even more appropriate. If UKIP was a public shout then to coin Al Jolson’s first ever movie words, “You ain’t heard nothin’ yet!”.
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The only If and Buts are; IF we leave the EU, we are obliged to take WTO terms and will be serverly damamaged by them. BUT if cwe stay we won’t. Security is a great argument, I’ll give you that. However if we don’t have a stable economy and we won’t have the money to secure bugger all. So economy trumps security. As it needed to come first. Income tax was introduce for the very purpose of security. Well to fight the French wars. Like all over taxes it never went away after the war ended. Now it funds the state including securing it. Now if we was to leave, we would have to scale back the armed forces anyhow, meaning probably being pushed out of nato, which woundt be that bad as then we could just look after our own borders. And stop messing around in others business. However then without the might of the joint European nations we would be far more exposed to a Russian, American, EU, Indian, chines etc…. Threat. As we are a small fish in a huge ocean. So the best security is to stay in the biggest alliance on the planet. Especally with the likes of Russia America China and even Indian strengh. Stronger together comes to mind. Actually wasnt that one of the remains slogans? Has a better ring than better alone, that’s for sure. I’d actually like to see this EU army that the leavers keep saying is a thing, actually be come a real thing. We would be a far more manoverable deterent, if we had one director, or own streamlined military cabinet in place. And probably save a fortune over all, as I can only assume atm the EU as a whole with have a lot of duplicate and redundant arms of its armies. Under one umbrella it could be reformed in to a much more focused force. It won’t happen, but it actually should. Also it would tie it together even stonger. The more I think about the EU as a being the more I thing it needs more integration not less.
I am truly staggered that you don’t think an EU army is going to happen. Its all the heirarchy of Germany and France plus Juncker have been banging on about. Because its the final sale of sovereignty given that defence is the first duty of “a state”. An EU army is very different from an organisation like Nato. The Defence Minister of Germany, Ursula von der Leyen, has become the latest to come out openly backing a full EU Army.
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I too have concern for JLR employees. However, JLR were clear that their problem was falling sales in China and Europe plus the fact that they are heavily ‘diesel orientated’ at present and diesel sales are falling everywhere. Brexit is for them a fear going forward but is not the cause of their current problems and JLR were also clear that they intend to keep investing in the UK, Brexit or not.
The point I made seems to have been avoided although it seems was totally correct. A former head of MI6 jointly with a former defence chief, Lord Guthrie, say, “The first duty of the state, above trade, is the security of its citizens.”, which we all know to be true, and that the “The Withdrawal Agreement abrogates this fundamental contract and would place control of aspects of our national security in foreign hands” yet the BBC make no mention of it while running many far less newsworthy items.
I find it bizarre that not one peep seems interested in national security but focus instead on financial Brexit matters. But then again perhaps I should not as almost without exception Remainers seem to put the financial aspects of Brexit before all else citing ‘Expert’ predictions. As a matter of interest how many of you were in favour of joining the Euro roughly a decade ago? I seem to recall that all of the ‘Experts’ then were predicting similar doom as to what Remainers predict re Brexit if we did not join, not least that inward investment would collapse. In the event the reverse was true.
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Pound to a penny you won’t see this reported on the BBC. Pretty much every time someone of genuine significance in speaks in favour of Brexit on WTO rules it never gets reported. Its obviously a significant matter when someone like this writes to every local Conservative Association.
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Have to agree with Bob. I’ve been using Clifford James and Samuel Windsor for years, especially for formal shoes because they do half sizes. Samuel Windsor’s formal (all leather shoes) shoes at around £40 to £60 a pair are not the quality of Loake’s or Church’s but are not that far off and are a third to a quarter of the price. I have about eight pairs currently in a mix of colours, brogues. half brogues and oxfords; and can attest to the quality of them.
While we are on attire I also rate Slaters highly for a bargain. Their own brand Carlton Gray suits and blazers in particular are truly peanuts and far, far, far better quality than one might expect for the price. If you need to wear a suit or at least a blazer but also have to work at times in challenging (i.e. very dirty) environments those are the way to go. If one gets ruined it not such a blow as if you lose a £300 to £400 job.
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Its just the EU we want to leave not Europe. So continuing your comments re a dream…………..
Lets get sensible (Captain Sensible).
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The Forbes article’s author: “I cover sports business with rare dips into b-schools, local economies”. Nevertheless. “Zandi is less optimistic. He thinks it could take multiple generations for the $2.6 billion economy to recover from Brexit. “Under the Theresa May proposal, which is most likely, the U.K.’s global orientation is diminished. It makes investment and trade more challenging,” says Zandi. “The British economic sun is definitely going to shine less bright.” And that’s with a deal.
No, Dave, that’s because of that deal. But why even consider that deal which all know is dead with Leavers, Remainers and most critical of all, the DUP all against it.
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I knew they exist, I knew it…………LOL
On a more practical and evidence based theme Forbes yesterday rated us as the being Best Country for Business in 2019 (despite Brexit) ahead of the USA, Hong Kong, Singapore and every EU state.
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No I did not say that it shows nothing. I said very clearly it loosely shows feelings in a constituency relative to other constituencies.
Nor was I criticising Victoria Atkins. Where did I do that? I merely suggested that going dramatically against the opinion of her electorate she may be heavily censured at the next GE by that electorate. There’s no hypocrisy there either because I did not suggest that the likes of Raab, IDS, Redwood etc should be immune from such. They too should be censured by their electorate if their electorate desire to. Tell me Dave where did I say it should only work one way? You are plainly imagining things.
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To flesh out my above post Louth and Horncastle was 65% leave and in East Lindsey a staggering 70.7%
See the Louth Leader. So clearly Victoria Atkins was/is vastly out of step with her constituents. The number signing the petition simply reaffirms such as being equally as true today as it was in 2016.
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I merely quoted Louth and Horncastle as it was in the lead. Fact no dig. Your points re percentages and UKIP etc., are mute. The figures simply show strength of feeling in general terms per constituency relative to other constituencies, nothing more.
BTW Victoria has enough to worry about already because Louth and Horncastle was a very pro-Brexit area in the 2016 Ref and her going heavily remain is already likely to carry a heavy penalty next time.
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@Ed
Yesterday you were saying you don’t begrudge Jean-Claude Drunker his 32,700 (tax free) Euros a month. Just read this and the most of comments and tell me again you don’t think he and the EU bureaucrats take us for a ride. We (i.e. Cameron) tried to stop this drunk getting elected but to no avail. It shows how little say we really had in the EU doesn’t it? Is this what you want for your off spring to be ruled by folks like this? Do you think that any average citizen in the EU wants someone like this in his position? The EU is not for the people of Europe its for the political classes. That’s the reality.
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The Hard Brexit Petition continues to steam along and Louth and Horncastle retain the lead. Boy oh boy do they seem to want a Hard Brexit more than any other area. There is no question that the map by constituency also allows MP’s a useful live tool for checking the strength of feeling in their own constituency over and during the Christmas recess and January debate.
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@Ed
I agree to some extent. But as I said I can’t see the UK pulling out of the backstop until we were confident our border solution was adequate to prevent the troubles reigniting. After all during the troubles I don’t recall any significant terrorist acts in EIRE or the EU. So it is only the UK that is at risk were the troubles to reignite, isn’t it? WE are the one’s with the greatest motivation to ensure they do not. So logically the backstop should be under our control.
Of course May’s deal is just the withdrawal agreement. The only way we can negotiate the trade deals after that on a level footing is if we don’t have a gun (i.e. the lock-in backstop) to our head.
The way that Baker and Mogg u-turned yesterday having confidence in May tells me that its been made clear to them that she will now either get the EU controlled backstop removed or go No Deal. The ball is in the EU’s court as I see it now.
PS – As the UK pivots today towards No Deal as a likely/credible option let’s watch the currency markets closely.
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Yep!
Although I’m not totally against May’s deal if the EU allows us to unilaterally get out of the backstop when we see fit. After all we are the one’s who would be bombed if we got it wrong and re-sparked the troubles, aren’t we? So sure as hell we wouldn’t ditch the backstop until we were certain our new border fix was adequate.
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Louth and Horncastle currently with highest percentage of electorate signing the rapidly growing Hard Brexit petition. Petition Here. Clickable Map by Constituency Here.
What surprises me is the high percentage in port areas such as Dover. Can’t all be Caterers looking to sell tea and hot dogs if there are huge motorway lorry parks………LOL
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I do not begrudge high salaries for Civil Servants and Politicians provided it is accompanied by intrusive and detailed examination of theirs and their family’s income and assets. Of course if they do anything to move into a grey area they should meet the full force of a law that expropriates all their assets and any unexplained family assets. This is public Government life ‘Singapore Style’ and goes with painful revelations on all public media – they are all hounded if caught with a finger in the till! Unfortunately the West isn’t at that point. [edit] sorry highlighting and underlining do not seem to work
What point looking for or tracking an EU officers’ financial probity or rather impropriety? This is the EU. EU officers are immune from prosecution in all EU states. So even if you find and can prove dodgy financial dealings there are no consequences. BTW this immunity continues after they leave office and would continue in the UK under May’s deal. I can’t recall the relevant paragraphs but they are there in the 586 page deal because I remember reading them.
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Now come on we all know how much the EU needs that money so why begrudge it to them. After all they have just increased Drunker’s Salary to 32,700 (tax free) Euro’s a month.
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Backstop Threatens UK’s AAA Credit Rating
Ratings agency DBRS has warned that the UK’s AAA rating could be at risk from a Brexit deal that separates Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. The ratings agency confirmed its rating for the UK at AAA with a ‘Stable Trend’, but noted that “significant uncertainty remains over different regulatory and customs regimes between Northern Ireland and the mainland, and how this might impact the UK” and warns that the “longer-term constitutional integrity of the UK is important to [the UK’s] AAA sovereign rating.”
Interestingly, the agency is less concerned about the impact of no deal on the UK’s rating, saying that it “acknowledges some degree of event risk associated with such a scenario, but it expects a broadly appropriate and timely policy response from the UK and the EU to any resulting economic or financial turmoil”.
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I’ve been watching the currency markets very closely this morning. If anything proves how uncertainty damages Sterling this morning was it. Everyone knew May’s deal would be voted down (i.e. certainty) no real impact on the markets. The very second May pulled the vote instant and staggeringly dramatic falls (i.e. uncertainty).
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