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So we all agree then that the EU is no better than Westminster or vice versa.
One big difference of course is that we can kick out the crew in the HoC if we want but can’t the EU Overlords. That does it for me.
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I have tried to tell folks here what the EU really is. I’ve have been berated often. But perhaps, just perhaps folks will understand why I want out when a new UK Green Party MEP has arrived in Brussels and discovered for himself what a bigoted, political cesspit it is. Read what he has to say here.
Then remember this.
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Well if you think that Farage has a load of loonies , then here’s one reading the riot act to the EU. Go, Annie, go, is what I say.
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Brexit cretins have turned their backs during the EU National Anthem. Perhaps someone should point out to these NF idiots that is a REALLY GREAT way to start any negotiations!.
Tell me, Ed, how would you prepare for negotiations with what are to all intents and purposes a new EU hierarchy of unelected, domestically rejected and criminally infected ‘officials’?
Please ALL read here and take what you read on-board about the new EU overloads. This is how the EU is managed and frankly there was less connivance even in the old USSR.
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I’ve got to go up to the Royal Courts of Justice on the Strand on Monday or Tuesday; thankfully just to lodge papers rather than a hearing so no need to suit and boot, thank god.
Parking is close to impossible and even if you can get it its over half a mile away and costs as much as a good evening out. So instead it has to be the moving underground ovens to get there. At least I can pick my time so its not the rush hour either way. 30C above ground makes it closer to 45C down there in the rush hour. I could handle it once upon a time but these days I’m not sure.
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I couldn’t help but laugh last night when I asked a friend who he felt won the Tory Leader Candidates Debate? He said, making use of the strange choice of seating chosen by the BBC, “As far as I’m concerned they’re all came across as incompetent barstools”.
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For me tablets sit in No Man’s Land. Too big to really be portable as with a mobile and too small and under-powered for any serious work. For me its a large screen mobile for portability and anything else a laptop. Now currently have four older T410 and one R500 Lenovo laptops around the house and quite a few spares (R61’s , T61’s) not in regular use. All rattle along at everything I use. I still keep any eye out for last minute T410’s and T420’s auctions. Can’t resist a bargain that no-one else seems to have spotted. Got my last T410 with an 2nd gen i5 in it for £68 inc del and it was in superb condition.
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I’m with you 100% there, Duke. I’ve had many a heated debate with folks and been fine and great mates instantly afterwards and at times even simultaneously regarding other matters. My other half adopts the same position as yours and can’t relate to how that is possible. Perhaps that’s why fellas have problems at times understanding women. A lot of the time the fairer sex still seem angered by that which we have long since forgotten. I got told off by mine only a couple of weeks ago for having bumped into and had a long chat with to a past neighbour whom the other half had had a couple of disputes with a decade ago. It was a case of “How can you speak with her after all that happened” and truly “all that happened” wasn’t even that bad at the time.
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“The same words can be considered placatory or argumentative/provocative.” or diagnostic seeking to identify as to why things descend into personal attacks? In my experience when such occur in life they are rarely about that which they appear to be about. Indeed your post to which I replied suggested such when you said: “That’s not to say that the end premise/conclusion is ( of necessity ) wrong, it just could have had a better journey.”
All I way trying to say in my most recent post is that perhaps we all have different personal definitions of the meaning of the word ‘Forum’ and perhaps even of the word ‘debate’. As I said previously attack any point I make as hard as one likes and I will never take offence. Make a valid observation about my ‘style’ of debate also and I won’t take offence either. Hence I have felt no offence at anything you have said, JCD, truly. Its only when folks, no names, no pack drill, step outside of such that I take offence and will make no apologies for such. As is often said in court one may pursue a legitimate argument vigorously but such does not encompass or permit the use of intemperate language. Vigorous argument in my book remains ‘playing nice’ until intemperate language creeps in. Once it does then that is not playing nice. If your opinion differs that we must amicably agree to disagree.
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Tend not to disagree. You are spot on about it being in my DNA although I’m not sure if it was hard wired from birth or derives of the ‘gene therapy’ of professional experience and training. I’ve delivered training sessions for groups of up to a hundred and delivered presentations to audiences of up to 1,000 and have authored or part authored more training manuals than I care to remember. The latter possibly being the major culprit for the characteristics you highlight when I am working in the written word. But as I say its all reflex. It doesn’t happen in verbal communication face to face or even in front of medium sized audiences. Because the feedback one gets (verbal or body language) in such circumstances allows one to recognise points that are instantly accepted or those others that need expansion or validation. In the written word being devoid of that instant focus aiding feedback I am inclined to cover all points in depth, so to speak.
I never arrive at any position without giving it an awful lot of thought. Indeed, I have often been chased for decisions long before I have reached one. But once I arrive at one I find it impossible not to argue and fully support it to the best of my ability.
All in all I take no offence at what you said because it is true and well reasoned.
One part of your post had me wondering about whether we all have our own somewhat different definitions of what a ‘Forum’ is? You wrote: “Hence your love of debate. Dare I say that that is the cause for people’s strong ( adverse ) reactions to your posts that then go on to upset you.” Those words almost suggest, do they not, that debate is considered out of place. I never get upset when folks ‘play the ball’. Indeed professionally I was always inclined to welcome and provoke invite challenge of ‘the arguments’. My definition of a ‘Forum’ is; A venue specifically for debating? So if folks want to take me on and debate a position that I hold then I have no problem with such. Its only when folks don’t play the ball but descend into personal attacks that I am upset and frankly upset as much for them as for myself. But your words make me wonder if others’ definitions of what a Forum is are some what different. Ed, tends always to ‘play the ball’ and join in debate. Others however are more inclined to rapidly turn things personal. It occurs to me that possibly just possibly that might be because their view of what a Forum is is different. Hence they find or believe my reflex position which inclines to earnest debate to be unjustified or out of place. They therefore attack me ‘for debating’ rather than attack the arguments tendered in debate, if you see what I mean.
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I see your point, JCD, but although I often have to clarify my comments later they are always off the cuff. That probably comes from a couple of decades of on-the-fly debating with senior medical academics five days a week; which was often in a lift, in a corridor or anywhere just a couple of minutes were available. Sometimes I think and author at such a pace I have trouble keeping up with myself….. LOL That’s why you’ll often see a lot of tidying up edits below my posts. It just all comes out instantly and I tidy it up afterwards if needs be.
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My response was tongue in cheek, JCD, so perhaps I should have put that in the joke section as well. Although the bit about Junker and Tusk wasn’t.
Moving on I have very mixed feelings at the moment. On the one hand I’m happy to see BoJo now almost certain to be the new Tory leader and hence be sure we will be out of the EU by 31 October. On the other he will almost certainly achieve that by calling a rapid GE and anyone wanting out of the EU will rally to his flag leaving the Brexit Party disarmed. That I am sad about because the mix of people in that party was somewhat different from the average career politician mix and it would have been good to see a HoC composed of less of such. So, as I say I have mixed feelings.
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I think that the latest word to come out of Parliament is quite appropriate – prorogue – that’s just what they are, a bunch of professional rogues!! If anything, it goes a bit soft on them, but then “Liars, cheats and con-artists” just doesn’t sound so good on the job description front, even though it’s more accurate!!
What do you mean it doesn’t sound as good on the job description front? The evidence is quite the reverse. As soon as they are out of office they’ll either get comfy seats in the other chamber or nice fat non-Exec directorships here there and everywhere. Sadly though we will have left the EU so unlike other politicians kicked out of their senior domestic positions by their electorates (such as Junker, Tusk, etc.) there will be no juicy Brussels job awaiting them.
Oh God a thought that hadn’t crossed my mind before just surfaced. Will the next Tory Leader give Theresa May a peerage……………………….arrrrgggghhhhhhh ?
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No, Ed. He’s realised that he can win a landslide Tory Victory in the Autumn.
Will he become Tory Leader? I think it now close to certain because Geoffrey Cox just joined his supporters. That’s ten or eleven more Tory MPs today falling in line behind him after the ComRes poll. Unstoppable momentum? Probably. Plus that poll will scare the heck out of Labour MPs in strong Leave seats. Dare they now be seen to support the Shackling Legislation? That really would be Turkey’s voting for Christmas. Because the Shackle would leave BoJo no option but to take the GE Shot. Although I think a snap GE is already BoJo’s plan now irrespective of whether there is Shackling Legislation or not. The Tories recognise that TBP must be disarmed and that BoJo going for 31 October or bust is the only way to do that. How funny that Labour may be in a position where they will want to stop a GE happening because it would be certain to result in their slaughter. Crazy times.
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There is now little question that BoJo will become leader. Likewise the polls suggest that as such he will drag back those who have voted TBP if he guarantees out even if its a No Deal Brexit. The polling suggests a landslide Tory victory in those circumstances.
I agree with Patrick O’Flynn’s (SDP MEP) comments in John Rentoul’s thread, “I can see Johnson combining a honeymoon as PM with a “respect democracy” ticket at a GE in the autumn and winning easily.”
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This doesn’t look like Turkey’s voting for Christmas it looks like taking the shot when the time is right.
Don’t Brexit by 31 October and don’t have a GE by then and then the Tories know they WILL be toast and the Brexit Party clean up when the GE eventually comes. That’s why if the Shackling Legislation gets passed in has to be a GE immediately delaying would be fatal.
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The DUP call the shots as a withdrawal of support triggers a General Election.
I’m not sure the DUP matter much anymore. A GE is close to certain anyway. But its then that Corbyn’s real problem surfaces.
The latest data it seems shows that if Labour tack hard to Remain or 2nd Ref then they gain 4 to 5% of the popular vote nationally staving off the LibDem challenge and possibly winning some Tory Seats. However, analysis by constituency has them likely to lose even more heavily to the Brexit Party in the strong Leave seats if they do. The worse case scenario leaves Labour down at barely more than 100 Westminster seats. Assuming that BoJo will recapture some deserters from the Brexit Party then the Tories being the biggest party in Westminster is highly likely with a Tory/BP majority in the HoC close to certain.
Corbyn really is between a rock and a hard place and its all down to the mismatch between the consensus opinion of Labour voters nationally and the consensus opinion of Labour voters in the Labour heartlands of Wales and the North. I therefore don’t see that the DUP are as relevant as they once were. As I read it if Corbyn and Letwin manage their No Deal shackling legislation then a GE is pretty certain – and – if they don’t then plainly the attitude of the HoC re a No Deal Brexit will be demonstrated to have changed. If it has my bet is that it will be shaky knee Labour MP’s in strong Leave seats that will have tipped the balance.
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At the end of the day the DUP will still call the shots!
Maybe, maybe not? One thing I am sure of and that is that another dithering Remainer as PM will finish off the Tories for a decade or more. No-one wants a May-Bot clone.
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If a week in politics is a long time 2 years are millennia. Actually so is a day.
I keep looking at the latest tallies and they are now falling in behind BoJo at a rate of knot. The funny thing is that it is all probably down to Corbyn and Letwin who are planning shackling legislation before the new Tory Leader is in place. If that passes then for any Tory leader to get Brexit though will take a GE So it will be backs to the wall because No Brexit would finish the Tories anyway. So if it has to be mortal combat then there is no option but BoJo because he’s the only one with any chance of bringing back those who deserted for the Brexit Party.
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Well I finally tore up my betting slip today. I had money on Penny Mordaunt many many months back as an outside bet for next Tory Leader. But today she’s proved herself to be a total Hunt…………….supporter. ?
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