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Ditch Corbyn and run with Starmer would be the wise move for Labour but no way will that happen.
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I think you forget the Blame Game, Ed. The public want a GE by two to one currently. BoJo wants one; i.e. what the public wants. Anything that happens from now until the GE eventually occurs can be blamed on “the other parties”. Indeed anything they do to thwart anything that BoJo now tries to do will simply make him stronger come that GE. I truly don’t see anyway out of that for “the other parties”.
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At a tangent I think that Labour are increasingly isolated. The SNP and LibDems would love an early election as would the Tories. A simple majority to repeal the FTP Act is not inconceivable.
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@JayCeeDee, too true matey. The public will buy anything. Great swathes of the UK even seem to have bought these two conflicting positions –
Remainers in 2016: ‘Honestly guys the #EU barely affects your lives. Hardly any laws even come from Brussels’
Remainers in 2019: ‘We are so enmeshed it is IMPOSSIBLE to leave. If we crash out there will be famine and no workers’ rights or drinking water’
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Having re-read your post Dave I see that you could have been referring to the “past Troubles” in N.I. But I am unconvinced that the increased incidence of late in N.I. terrorist activities is Brexit linked because the surge began even before the Ref vote. I suspect the increase derives of a new generation which did not live through the earlier troubles and are vulnerable to the same mantras (from both sides) as were earlier generations. Note the “gap” is almost precisely a generation. To think the current re-growth would dissipate if we suddenly revoked Art50 and remained in the EU to me seems totally unrealistic. I do accept though that Brexit might be used as “justification” by those involved; I just can’t see though that resolving it would change anything. Those bent on conflict will simply pick and rely on another “justification”. Perhaps just perhaps we should explore “exporting” the problem and allow N.I. a vote on reunification on the island of Ireland. But note I say “export” because I doubt that even that would end the conflict.
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Dave, I agree we have had riots in London over far less but we have not reacted with Police violence of the kind seen in Catalonia, have we? And would our Parliament have voted to not even discuss those riots as the EU Parliament voted?
Returning to the matter of an extension; Yes it can be scuppered by a single state but would any other than France or Germany realistically dare do so, even if it desired to? I cannot help but feel you in part make my point for me when you talk of past troubles in Spain. Had it been any country outside the EU we would have spoken out but as an EU member we did not? Why was that?
Throwing the DUP/N.I. under the bus was needed. Just the same as moving Workers Rights to the PD from the WA was needed. I keep telling you ‘the plan’ was/is to alienate as many people as possible to the deal; such that they pile on amendment after amendment during its passage.
It seems that what I said was ‘BoJo’s plan’ may very slowly be dawning on the EU also. As the BBC’s Katya Adler tweeted yesterday;
EU diplomat from influential member state said to me: “What game is being played here? Boris Johnson tells us, tells everyone he just wants to get #Brexit done. But now he halts the legislative process with 10 days till the deadline still to go.”
Perhaps, the EU should listen to Ed and realise they are dealing with ‘The Mendacious one’. 😂
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Do you not see it even now, Bob? The EU in the person of Tusk is ‘telling’ the 27 to grant an extension. The stick wielded against all states, other than France and Germany, is that if they don’t agree they will be breaking EU solidarity. The EU ‘directs’ it is NOT directed by its member states. That is where the power sits and will continue to be centralised. There is no democracy in such.
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Your country was gone in or out of the EU, Bob. There will be only one country in Europe if the EU has its own way; The USofE. One army, one foreign policy, one fiscal policy, etc., etc. And the EU will turn its back on violent suppression. The EU Parliament voted not to even discuss the violent suppression of the last month in Catalonia. There is no right of self-determination in the EU. Yet so many people cannot see that or where the EU is heading. Dissent will not be tolerated. Do we or will we ever treat Scotland like Spain treats Catalonia? I think not. The illusion of democracy in the EU is on a far larger scale than it is even in the UK. I want no part of what the EU is inexorably becoming. If freedom from it costs us financially so be it; although in the mid to long term I doubt it will. I will not put a price on freedom and self-determination.
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BTW, Ed, I note that you keep referring to BoJo as the Mendacious One. Frankly the whole crew of the HoC could be so described could they not? Especially the most prominent Remainers. Enjoy this little refresher.
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The threat to pull the vote on the legislation if a customs union amendment is attempted convinces me that my earlier analysis was spot on. The longer the EU hold back on declaring their position re an extension the more the clock runs down. But they want to hold back so that Parliament truly think they are faced with BoJo’s deal or No Deal. All the time BoJo is racking up brownie points and as I said Labour and Bercow etc., are looking like those thwarting what the public want.
To me BoJo is looking more Machiavellian than Churchillian but either way both knew how to win.
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Oh…. I forgot to add Bercow too if he won’t allow the vote. 😂
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Read the ‘New Deal’ !!! The clue is there. BoJo doesn’t want his deal passed. He’s aiming for No Deal and skilfully setting up the Blame Burden.
The EU wouldn’t have wanted the things that were moved from the WA to the PD moved; i.e. Workers rights, etc. BoJo got them moved. Why? The shifts were to make sure that as many Labour MP’s as possible would be alienated to the deal. I’ll bet there are equally plans to drag out the passage of the enacting legislation if it does pass. Its run down the clock time folks. Just wait and see.
This is how he got the ERG on side. Lay it all on Labour and the DUP………..and, to cream it all, Farage also who is arguing against the deal.
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Today hinges not on the main vote but on the Letwin amendment. If Letwin passes it is likely BoJo will pull the main vote and it won’t happen.
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Hold on there……….Ed and Dave. I won’t be trying to convince anyone that this is a good deal. Because it isn’t.
After BoJo once saying you couldn’t polish a t*rd that is exactly what he has done. Too busy at the mo’ to go into it but it is in most ways every bit as bad as May’s deal being 95% that deal anyway. Yes he’s got the b’stop removed but only by cutting N.I. adrift. If he gets it through on Saturday it will be by short-timing those who have not yet read it in full. If the Letwin amendment passes, which it probably will, that will slow progress and as MP’s read it fully they will never subsequently pass it into law. Remember – Saturday’s vote is only of import re the Benn Bill nothing more. It will be close on Saturday but if I had to call it I’d say it won’t even pass then.
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Oh, I should have add that the Supreme Court often refer to Hansard to aid in legal construction; i.e. to check what Parliament’s will was such as to assist. It would not surprise me one bit if Section 55 was discussed during that Act’s passage and its purpose was to add the force of law to there being no customs border in the Irish Sea ‘tween N.I. and the rest of the UK.
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I’ll deal with our two tenets in reverse order, Ed.
Yes, any law can be revoked or amended by Parliament but Parliament cannot on Saturday agree to break the law on the basis that it will change the law before it does so. On that basis they could agree to execute Theresa May by 31 October 2019 on the basis that they will reinstate the death penalty and permit summary conviction by the legislature. Basically the law is the law and until changed must be considered as to have effect.
Now to the Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Act 2018. Subsection 54(2) has effect in respect of Subsection 54(1). It in no part relates to Section 55, which if you re-read my post was what I was highlighting.
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As I read it BoJo’s deal is unlawful. See here at s.55(1). And the legal challenge has already been filed. Anyone want to guess how the Supreme Court would rule if and when it escalates to them?
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Yep I do have moments of thoughtfulness but don’t worry Bob they don’t last too long…….LOL
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We’d love to Bob but my other half is not up to a move and frankly I wouldn’t feel comfortable being more than the 7.5 miles we are from Harefield Hospital with the state of her ticker. Crazy really I’m over a decade older than she is and we always thought she’d end up looking after me but it’s the other way round.
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I’ve stopped keeping an eye on MPG its far, far too depressing in London. 20 miles to the gallon, 20 minutes to the mile is how it works around here.
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