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Bob, my experience has been very different. My old Nokia was suffering signs of old age, it was only 10 years old so I downvested in a new item a really dumb phone, a Moto G4Play. It can start a hands free call off using Bluetooth but then insists on using the damned loud speaker, so sod all use. Do they employ brain dead programmers or what?
I have yet to have a useful email on the darned thing and while I get 5.5 Gb of data I’m lucky if I use 10 Mb of carrier data, though the ruddy updates take about 1Gb every month on Wifi.
All my e-mails come to my PC, apart from demo mails, none go to the ‘thick phone’, which lives down stairs and never goes bedside.
It is really hard work to use it for internet, so it discourages any use except for calls and perhaps the odd text.
Even getting any email addresses onto the ruddy thing was really hard work, I only did it using the PC and allowing Google to make the transfer.
At least the change over of broadband and mobile saved my over 340 per month so recovered the cost of the useless dummyphone.
We knew plenty about this one Ed – he was on a national TV documentary with an ISIS flag and yet was at liberty to commit mass murder.
It surprises me that he was free to roam after so many anti terror bills, was it one every 24 months since 2000? Not to mention all the race hate laws and restriction of speech laws; this pile of pig poo was still able to skate round the law scot free. Some serious, rational thought is needed to block off their escape from justice (wots justice?), the Criminal Protection Service will soon let them off anyway.
I can imagine if half of what he had said and done was directed by someone else in the direction of his kind there would have been a hue and cry heard across the world. That is going to be an emerging, serious issue as it leads to resentment.
I do not disagree with the sentiments, but is it actually an illegal act to display an ISIS flag? If not the law needs a change pdq. I’m afraid I have to lay all this at the door of May. When she was Home Secretary she looked to do things on the cheap, and was conned into thinking all you have to do is electronically spy on people more effectively. She jumped at this option and sacked half our police force as a result. No doubt there were warning flags being posted up all over the place by the automated systems, but some poor barsteward had to triage them all and do their very best with their extremely limited manpower. I’ll get my revenge at the ballot box, and I suspect a lot of others will too. May could well teeter right on the edge of defeat. The smell of blood is leaking from the ‘Submarine’
Was that the same May who got rid of Captain Hook after he beat back such as ‘plastic policeman’ Blunkett when he tried to remove him over the years?
Do you really think Dianne Abyss and the terrorists friend have a cup of tea my friend Corbyn would do anything better – except pick you pocket?
Think nose and face first once the hysteria dies down.
Yes Ed, the rift in the GCC area, (is the GCC still going?) is ‘interesting’. Bahrain and Qatar have royal blood and feud links and have fought in recent times over various bits of the scrubby islands in the brackish waters. I would agree with your broad figure for the population of real Qatar people. The defence forces used to be staffed by Jordanians at some levels and other third nations at others. Bahrain used to be a Saudi playground, the UAE more or less did its things with the various states vying with each other while Qatar, was, well Qatar. Its recent history of playing various parties off against each other may have backfired, young princes have history of going a bit wild given the chance. Many simply killed themselves in accidents – some families banned them from driving due to the high attrition rate. Qatar is connected by land, yet for years it never quite made the grade it aspired to reach, I guess it overplayed a hand in the poker game that is Gulf politics. Or more likely severely pissed off someone who they should not have annoyed. I have not seen too much outwash yet, suggesting some are sitting on their hands to see what comes out in the muddy waters. Investments are one thing, operational control is another. Nothing out there is ever quite what it might appear, I guess if push comes to shove we can always go for US shale gas.
As I said in another posting string, I thought Ariana showed herself very well appearing genuine and willing to go out of her way to meet and greet her followers. Her music is not my music so I do not comment on that matter. I will say that I prefer music to be music not a ‘look at me parade’. I felt that hers has been a class act in many ways and not just a publicity show. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought she was a real person, recording shock and personal emotional impacts honestly. She must earn respect points for that.
I thought that Maxwell had something to do with the Mirror and its pension fund before ‘falling’ off his great big boat. But this text does not sound like his style, the name was enough to set bells clanging, I am unlikely ever to know anyone by that name.
I suspect that everyone will have had the chance of ‘delight’ at reading the death inducing prose.
For ‘someone’ at death’s door, they have been busy creating fake accounts. Perhaps returning the favour and signing them up for some new experiences to enrich their life while they still live might be a good idea?
I listened to almost none of it it as soon I realised it was not my musical cup of tea at all.
However, I really applaud all of those who made it possible including the singer Ariana, as I said not my cup of tea as a singer, but as a performer and as a full on human effort top class. She deserves any and all success she can obtain, she has already earned respect for her commitment; on and off stage.
She appears honest, genuine and humanly affected by what happened, though it was hard for anyone not to be affected.
blacklion1725 yes you are right, it was a moving experience and I can only join with you and agree that the bomber and his ilk, wherever they are, are really below contempt.
Let’s make it clear – all armed police officers in the UK are volunteers and ‘yes’ if they kill someone they are subject to incredible pressure and scrutiny by the law / the IPCC / their own bosses / and most of all by the public. Just ask, as it was muted in the Mets a few years ago, that all their armed officers ‘downed tools’ when a PC who shot a ‘suspect’ was charged with murder but cleared by the jury. Put that in context of what happened both in London x 2 and Manchester in the past few days – where would we be? A very simple sum – 20K extra policemen/women on the streets will not stop this type of event – how could 4 (10 even) officers stop a van doing what it did on the bridges? They can’t. Today it was said on TV that to keep surveillance on one suspect takes 32 ‘spooks’, how many suspects do we have? 20K Officers – 4 officers/24hrs coverage = 5000 extra officers on duty at any one day – excluding sickness, leave, court, courses et al. Spread the 5ooo out over the forces in the UK – 43 as of March 2013 = 116 Officers / Force /day – but that excludes the possibility that there would be a natural bias towards the big conurbations – some areas there will be more in some areas and less in others. Unfortunately this type of terrorism is also cultural and ethnically based – generally the UK police are largely white whereas what I have seen of recent Islamic terrorists (if that is the correct word) are not – it would be very difficult for the general police to infiltrate such terrorist groups – at least in Ireland we tended to look like them! What is the answer – I don’t know but more police on the street is not one. We have PCSOs on the streets – plastic plods – why – it gives the public reassurance that the police are around to protect them!!!! No tbey are there to show the flag at a lower rate of pay than the ‘proper’ officer – you can con the public most of the time …. !!
That was my point wrapped up in a much clearer package. About the only thing that stops a vehicle used as a murder weapon is a bazooka. One on every corner might be effective but affordable? No Practical? No. Your point about the ethnicity of the police is well taken, however, efforts to cure that one has proved challenging with some of the ingrained attitudes on both sides. So called institutional racism exists on all sides and needs to be smashed out of existance.
Dixon of Dock Green policing died a long time ago, now it is the age of (hopefully) intelligence led operations. It appears that the current cell was known about but not the timing, hence the swoops after the event. There is some understandable public doubt about exactly what was known. Some of today’s reports are colourful and perhaps alarming. Claims of radical internet viewing and propaganda film shows used to recruit and motivate the feeble minded may be a play for the popular audience. Tails of the suspects trying to round up child converts to their cause are likewise ‘colourful noise’. Perhaps they were missed when they were claimed to be reported to the police.
However, under exactly what law could the police have arrested them and under exactly what law could they have been charged? More to the point, they would have been out on the strets minutes later, with an enlarged chip on their shoulder and an enhanced ability to scoff at the law, perhaps a beefed up hate speech law, applied to all, including internet carriers? Are the current actions close enough to treason to be treated as such? Is this a topic for informed discussion, not the usual stupid knee jerk reactions for some.
All hate speech should be barred, not just hate speech from one group. Whether anti Semitic, anti Muslim anti Christian or anti whatever and, more to the point wherever. Just try selling Mein Kampf and the like in many countries.
Perhaps we should be more like Europe after all?
Chamberlain tried appeasement and negotiation and that went really well when used with someone motivated by little more than ego and hate… oh hang on a minute I am told a war swiftly followed. Was that more false history?
Walk softly and carry a big stick works only up to a point. Sometimes the big stick has to be used and used effectively. Since some are enthral to such as Putin and North Korea, perhaps we should set up some re-education camps just as they do and pack off all malcontents to those places of re-education.
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Sorry to swim against a tide of nonsense, the police who acted were armed police. I am glad they were there. No doubt some dumb arse lawyer will now try to sue the police for wrongful murder with a view to getting them off the streets to stop such criminal action as stopping terrorists. The same way that other families of gang members and murderous thugs have tried to do in the past. Getting police to carry guns was getting harder and harder due to the pressures placed upon them.
The anti terror police would have been there, not to stop and event in progress but to carry out the follow up, so far another 12 arrests, was that a bad result? It was not a bad one in my book. Since yesterdays devils-disciples ‘did it for their families’ lock them up as well before deporting them to where ever we can dump them? Just to show any other fools the rewards they and their ‘families’ can earn.
No doubt Diane Abyss with her £30 pa police has the answers, perhaps the £30 was for their lunch boxes so they can sit down and have a chat with the murderous thugs with knives. Perhaps daft Corbyn might drop in (from a great height) to share a cuppa. With luck he might fall on some of the other thieves and morons like his shadow chancellor and their latest wheeze the ‘Garden Tax’.
The only bright thought is that as such a dedicated friend of
terroristssorry freedom fighters as daft Corbyn and Abyss (what was it she said, ‘I like anyone who attacks Britain?’) will not mind a group set up to destroy them before their mob create the disaster they crave.No doubt Diane Abbyss’s 250,00 Dixon of Dock Green police staff with their £30 lunch boxes would work wonders with their magic lunch boxes. Let us hope they do not try using any nationalised railways. I remember those days when maintenance was a very rude word I used it in a station master’s office once, I could see a sea of ashen faces.
Jowett Javelin a flat four engined independent suspension machine.
It has been widely reported that his family fled Libya before he was born because they were on Gaddafi’s ‘no live list’. He was apparently know to MI5 as has also been reported. Investigations would and should be handled by the much boosted but still short staffed secret services, not Mr Plod. His family are known to be unlikely peace makers though they might be termed ‘broken pieces desiring’. I am sure that I wrote about his family background in an earlier comment, though it might have been one of the postings that did not make it due to finger troubles deleting as I wrote. He did appear to move onto the fringes of even his tribe. His known profile was certainly one to not just watch but upon which to take action, he perfectly fitted the profile of a very high risk operative. I am a strong advocate of intelligence led profiling. The lack of previous action is hard, (for me) to understand. I hope the lessons are being learned. But no doubt some clown will object to ‘freedom fighters being harassed’ if any such actions are taken.
Having done a forced manual update a day or so back it did an automatic one tonight. I guess it is a bit fussy and cantankerous. Bottom line, take care all is not what it might appear, check recheck and check again.
VLC did not update the software when asked to check, it simply reported ‘no updates’ available. I had to download a newer version. I do not know if this was definitely suspect but it was a concern that an old version was not specifically updated when there is a newer version available so it was a surprise.
You see I would have said he was a thoroughly unpleasant delusional peasant with no meaningful religion, who made a mistake building bombs and failed to kill himself, ‘for his cause’. We compounded the error by allowing him in to the UK to breed more morons his tenure being extended by string of civil wrongs lawyers of the ilk of Phil Shiner of PIL. Whose cause was money making solely and impurely.
As for the Russians and the Turks and other unpleasant killers, there not a word?
Sorry Ed the Londinistan issue is far broader than Sunni ‘friend’s painting. We have been possibly rightly criticised by all and sundry by allowing (undesirables as they saw it), just check, almost every country and sect has had a moan. The Russians deal more directly; they kill those they do not like living here. Your Sunni friend was taking a pot shot at the Shias in all reality. When we do deport dodgy imams who were in just one mosque they just carry on via the damned internet gaining a wider half witted audience.
Where did cleric hook come from? Egypt, after years of battles we got rid of him only to remain stuck with his money grubbing odious family. Now the bleeding heart types want us to import more problems in the shape of he economic migrants being slave traded by your North African tribes. Money is their motivation, seasoned with a dash of contempt for the lower tribes/races they are selling. At least Gaddafi is no longer funding the IRA, sadly every problem has more than one dimension.
Deportation = the action of deporting a foreigner from a country. Where would they have deported the bomber to? He was British and a Mancunian.
Quite so. One of the problems with some British born Muslims is the fact they are almost caught between two camps. The same was said ( descriptively but unfairly ) about children of mixed race back in the 50’s and 60’s – “They were too black to be white, and too white to be black” so they had problems with both camps and grew up into trouble not thinking they belonged. This is obviously too sweeping a statement to apply to all, but it indicates the problems experienced by a minority and the often unfortunate outcome for them. The British born Muslims that then go on to carry out the atrocities we’ve seen over the years, haven’t integrated, seem to yearn for their Homeland and get caught up in ( to their minds ) righteous indignation on their brethren’s behalf, not appreciating the fact that they have a better life here than back home, as their parents seem to do. The only reason they don’t return home and stay there; though there may well be many that do, we just don’t hear about them; is that they want to seem irrelevant/innocent when they return here with malign intent and destructive training.
I pretty much agree; he, like other displaced persons was seriously confused, apparently abandoned by his parents who ‘went home’ leaving him wandering the world failing at most things he tried and apparently grabbing onto any idea that caught his attention. The term lost soul came to mind reading through the witness allegations.
Why do some races/tribes/religious/whatever groups appear worse affected than others who, albeit with few scattered mental health bumps in their pathway appear to settle more easily and successfully?
Current reports state that information will no longer be exchanged from the Manchester Police with the leaky (revenue generating for some) colander that forms the US confidential information
safeguardingmarketing operation.I frankly do not understand your point, but to answer it, about the same size as one that left a nearly complete detonator and labels.
My understanding of the reports was that the brass part was the hand held initiator not the detonator, there is a difference. The explosive was said to be an improvised one, and explosions are highly unpredictable. Perhaps you have not seen similar levels of materials recovered after plane explosions. The explosion was apparently caused by an electrical source fed by a battery with more than enough energy to initiate rapid combustion (it can be used to start engines) in a suitably unstable target. Improvised explosives tend to go off when they fancy at the best of times. Someone I once knew found this out in the mid 1950s. Fortunately his explosive was not constrained, so it burned rapidly, the problem was that some of it did so in his face according to the damage I later saw. He simply had a love of pyrotechnics, (which he may have lost), rather than causing harm.
To me it smells like the Yanks being annoyed that the UK has used Intel facilities that the Yanks believe to belong to them, and a botched heavy handed smoke-screen. Amber Rudd has displayed previous incompetent behaviour so it would not surprise me if they had just ignored her and kept her out of the loop.
Ah, I see the same old song, just one question, if as some reports suggested he was initially indeed from credit card details, how big was the bomb if it blew them across the pond to the land of the incompetent information sellers so they could read the details first before supplying them the other way? I have heard some pretty daft conspiracy theories but that one tops most.
Intelligence relating to crimes in our country do NOT belong to the yanks however much they might want to huff and puff. Perhaps Trump (impeachment willing) might want to delay his visit, for one I feel almost motivated enough to join a valid protest.
Deportation = the action of deporting a foreigner from a country. Where would they have deported the bomber to? He was British and a Mancunian.
One of the serious problems about press reports is they are often a mix of fantasy and fact many reports are now saying that the threat was known about and widely reported my his community, this would help to spread fear and doubt.
The facts appear to be that his family ran away from Libya years ago to escape Gaddafi. More recently most went back where (again hearsay) reports say that the father was active in his old line of the terror business. The son was reportedly born in Westminster l before moving north eft here where his wheels were reported to be coming off. He was failing at most things he tried. Displays of large flags and chanting in the street were cited along with claims of his espousing revolution and armed insurrection. He appears to have been travelling back and forth to various lands, none known for purity of thought or reasoning powers. That lot suggests that somewhere there might have been grounds for tugging his collar. Now we might just wish to dispose of his remains in a suitable way and a normal burial method does not come to mind.
In short I am saying there appear to be a range of unanswered questions about his and his ‘family’.
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