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I have two locals (man and wife), she is a travel agent, self employed now, (ex tomas Cook), now they are setting off in two weeks on a 5 star all Inc 2 week cruise of ASIA for two for a total of 1100 quid. Last min deal of course. You can’t moan at the price, but I think I’d pass. The wife and kids are going lanzorte on a few weeks
Your wife’s trip sounds pretty challenging given the health situation. How do you get on with insurance? The last time we travelled was some years back and 17 years after my wife had skin cancer. Insurance was a challenge at 3 times the normal cost. Since then things have only become rather worse, for her and me. I know she would like a break and being ‘looked after’, but the two obvious holiday styles, beach or cities/walking about are not an option. I share your doubts about the Far East. It is not just the risks onboard, it is the travel to get there. My ongoing coughing issue is not going to make anyone happy and forget about insurance.
The patio table was moved last night, which surprised us, as it is a cast aluminium one and it moved in the reverse direction to the recorded wind.
A few trees have been damaged, though none fell. A twenty foot or more piece was detached from the top of one. I saw it when we went out and commented that it was far from safe, as it was hanging over the main road, up 40 feet or more. When we returned the fire brigade were on its case and an hour or two later it was gone.
We have been mighty lucky in our area, things are really rough for many people who will be out of their houses for a long time and without transport to, by the look of the cars trying to become submarines – that does not end well.
I am not looking forward to a long hack to York on Tuesday With dodgy roads, daft motorways and dodgy weather plus other issues it will be a long trip. At least I will be sat down; it is the standing and walking that are a challenge.
I wonder the same thing as many of the updates are for things that I don’t use. Updates are only allowed while I am within Wi-Fi range to avoid charges. There has not been much impact on battery life, though that is not much impact I have noticed, though I charge the thing every night anyway. The important word there may well be that I have not ‘noticed’ adverse impacts. The possible problem is that you are not told what changes during the update so it is hard to know if it could affect something, security, battery life or what? Like you, I suspect many are ‘feature changes’ that I will never see as I don’t use the programme.
Bob, that is a very true statement. I used a travelling AC person to come to the house, it was very convenient. The system had not been touched for at least 8 years but was still not far off the expected range. He appeared to do nothing but AC servicing and was very focussed, with purpose made kit, knowledgable and reasonable. Others might vary, a lot.
I cannot directly help you, a few years back I bought my daughter one from Argos of all places. They had an excellent deal at the time. Otherwise, a Google search, perhaps even Freecycle hunt might turn up something. Sometimes the ink and toner vendors have offers that might be worth a glance.
Yes, there is a mumps vaccine, but there is also antisocial-media trying to block vaccination use. As a result, we are in a ten year high for mumps. As a result would enough even accept up a Covid-19 vaccine should one appear?
However, I also answered your snipping over Covid-19, cruises, payments, refunds, quarantine and isolation. I think you should have noticed your claims were all at sea.
Clearly Petri dishes was used for BBC reporter effect. However, unless infection control is top-notch, Norovirus is a constant threat. Ships I was on years back had 24 hour cleaning and sanitising solutions everywhere.
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holidaystravellers are bad for illness and dangerous for infection control as can currently observe.Please remind me, which learned medical journal used the term Petri dish and for which learned purpose other than rabble-rousing?
Yes, the Diamond Princess was an initial attempt to limit the spread of the illness, when very little was known about its nature.
As I understand it, their separation and quarantine expires on the 19th of February, i.e 5 days time. The original Hong Kong resident left the ship on the 25th January it is true, but he left a legacy for others to enjoy/suffer* (delete according to your judgement). Thus, the incubation clock was reset several times as people fell ill. Happily almost 300 souls are being, or have been treated and are not spreading their viral load worldwide. I understand that the evacuation of tested, virus free elderly passengers to shoreside Japanese isolation accommodation should have started by now. It is said that the food choices may discourage some from leaving shipboard isolation.
Some crew have fallen victim and been evacuated for treatment.
I had heard that the cruise line stated that all passengers will be fully refunded and given a complimentary ticket for a future cruise
Nothing about the disgraced one-time-doctor Andrew Wakefield and his impact on the infection rates for Measles, Mumps and Rubella, currently at a ten year high. Are you happy that mumps is a current epidemic in the UK?
I am now concerned that the Corvid-19 hoo-ha is taking centre stage and drowning other vital, medical news.
Interesting, it was the only time I ever had that happen in over 55 years. I though that it was only me.
I wonder, do ‘Hyper-Ed’ or ‘Paranoid-VFM’ know or understand the epidemiologists’ recommendations?
Current thinking is that breath is the least likely vector for transmission but that hand contact is the predominant transfer route. This is either directly hand to hand or via objects. People touch their face, eyes, or mouths about 15 – 20 times per hour. So, rail personnel, ticket checkers, etc. in the front line along with cash handlers and the like. This fits the super-spreader situation. He spent time and would have handled objects within the shared living space where others became infected. Public transport is likely to be a secondary ‘transfer station’, featuring proximity and frequent handling of shared objects, hand rails, doors, strap hangers, etc.
Personal hygiene is, once more being stressed, using disposable handkerchiefs, hand gel and frequent hand washing to avoid both depositing virus or transferring it to hands and then face, eyes or mouths.
The present hysteria being whipped up in Brighton is a silly, distracting and unproductive noise. Is the main instigator who whipping up hysteria playing for an election role?
Other than the quarantined and now cleared traveller, has anyone been found to be infected in Brighton?
Anyone heard about the present, not theoretical epidemic of mumps currently set to kill off a few children and sterilise a few young men? I guess those risks do not matter too much.
Years ago I had trouble with a Mazda and vibration. Of all things it turned out to be the AC drive belt which had a hard, or stiffened area where some ID had been applied to the inside track. This was only found after the compressor clutch had been needlessly replaced. A cheap replacement belt work flawlessly until I sold the car several years later. However, that was probably a one off bizarre event.
The ninth case is a Chinese national, who failed to follow protocol. After ringing 111 she took an UBER to the hospital where the reception staff who saw her are now in self seclusion at home. This is a probably inevitable consequence of travel. If I were to make the mistake of travelling to a foreign land, knowing the protocol for such cases would not be the only issue, nor would it be the first issue I would face.
Can anyone argue with that point?
Any truth in the rumour that I heard that ‘Google is gearing up to produce millions of their Google Glasses so that each arriving passenger will be forced to wear them to allow tracking of all contacts for up to 21 days’? It is being said this is the only way to keep track of them all other than closing the borders for the next month, both BA and Ryanair air were though to object to that plan.
I visited the local hospital with my wife today, all as normal, except that the usual 60 minute delay to appointments was dropped back to 42 minutes.
On the way we passed the Corona Virus Pod. About the size of one of those asbestos remover’s changing pods. All looked very shining, and unused. It is to be hoped it will remain in that pristine state.
Les, I spotted the changes, it appears that China is having some issues coming to terms with managing the response and the outbreak, rather than their response to the news about the problem. There is no doubt that they were not on top of the issue for far too long, hoping that if nothing was done or said it would all blow away. While I share your concerns about their dodgy food practices, we should not skip over the MERS outbreak. Every needs to know that poor food practices bite anyone in the behind if they foolishly encourage Zoonotic illnesses to evolve. Currently, there is a big outbreak of Ebola that has been quietly rampaging, but smaller numbers travel into and out of the widely affected areas.
Oh, that is a contradiction. Yesterday’s news said that he had not been to any scout meetings since his return and admission to hospital. Which is the false news?
Brighton’s schools have given the option to worried parents for children to stay away for a few days, it is half-term from Friday afternoon anyway.
Quote “Parents were told: “If you wish to keep your child off of school at this time, then we will authorise this absence.”
I can trace nothing saying schools are closed and pupils are locked out. Is this more false news designed to create worry perhaps?
Yes there is fear and worry being spread, as FDR said, “We have nothing to fear except fear itself”.
Ed that you love conspiracy and spreading dodgy tales and innuendo with glee, but your rapture is too clear to behold.
VFM, The woman who is the latest patient returned from China, where she had picked up the bug. She felt unwell on her return, rang 111 and was tested, found positive and admitted for treatment. Any contacts she had made are being actively sought. The normally visible mister did not need to intervene, the staff did and the system did and are doing what was needed, their jobs.
Our job is to keep rational are we all managing that challenging role?
I can see you are badly worried, however nothing I have read from the WHO or anyone else, in the past half hour justifies even 1/100th of the panic you appear to feel. The WHO are putting out recommendations which the UK government appears to reproduce almost word for word. A University of East Anglia professor suggested that pathways rife with ‘could’ and ‘maybe’ would increase risks. However, they rated the reality far lower, with projected deaths of 0.02%. Tough, if you are one of the 0.02% but there are other risks rated higher. I know that we do have a proportion of loonies and mischief-makers who, might well catch something and wish to pass it on. There have been cases of idiots doing that with AIDS.
The idea that we should all become hermits, shut schools after half-term and shun all contacts is not supported anywhere. Rather, avoiding hugging and kissing, suspending handshaking and self isolation for anyone with doubtful symptoms, is promoted and agreed by the majority of WHO members.
I see that to date nearly 2,000 focused UK tests, have produced 8 hits to date. Already, once confirmed positive cases are being prepared for discharge. There is simply no reason for any other action.
The major risk is ill-judged travellers from suspect areas. This may trigger xenophobia outbreaks such as those already being seen in schools against anyone of Asian appearance.
So, my tin-foil helmet, biocide spray and ultraviolet sanitiser will remain unworried and not called into existence. For me, there is simply no reason to worry beyond careful attention to personal hygiene and attention to detail.
There are 12 patients who were seen by the doctors according to the report I read. How naughty of them not to all stand still and wait for someone to find them, rather than going ahead and leading their lives. Even in China’s Police state, tracing contacts still takes time.
Frankly, I find the scaremongering less than helpful. Perhaps you would like to club together and send Matt a nice magnifying glass, and expect him to rush round like Inspector Jacques Clouseau? Somehow I doubt that he would fall for that silliness. Perhaps a touch of I have a rhetoric that I need to use drives the convention of silly names.
If you ever worked for any large organisation you’d know that, only the organisation’s mouth pieces speak out on matters affecting such as policy, public safety and similar matters.
The recent storms have killed more in the UK than the Covid-19 bug. More people are currently flooded out of their homes long term, than are in temporary isolation. You are more likely to die in an accident in the home than on the road and far less likely to die from Covid-19. Watch out for normal ‘flu, the ‘flu season is currently in full swing, though this year will likely only see it cause a few thousand deaths.
Just for good measure another storm is incoming, so more deaths and flooding to come.
This ends the good news.
Ed, are you complaining that Covid-19 meets the TOR of the WHO or that it was not your choice. I fully understand their rational.
No doubt the antisocial network brigade are searching for reasons against as I write.
I have no objection to carrying a stock of Paracetamol, or any other medication of choice, (I took my wheel barrow to the pharmacy today). My quoting of the news report alluding to self treatment medications in China was not an exhaustive listing but an indication of what was quoted and of course it is limited by what China previously sold as over the country medicines, that I do not know. However, the objective was stated as being to make a clearer count of those suffering by apparently forcing them into medical centres. That is a risky strategy, how many will just take to their beds at home and go without any treatment? How many will simply clutter up the hospitals or medical centres because they had a routine or random headache.
I suggest that Bob’s reckoning is correct. China’s mega cities are not only have high concentrations of people, but they are also often crammed into high rises with large number of residents. Note I am not suggesting there are too many people per dwelling, I have no reason to think that let alone suggest such a problem. The rise of an educated class in China has been marked and I doubt that overcrowding would fly well with any of them. Their anything-goes-markets and bizarre beliefs about of animal-parts appear an anomaly.
VFM, if your statistics are the state of play in China, at least 82% of their population should be fine with self medication. It is the percentages outside of China that are of greater concern to those not in China. For the moment in a highly dynamic situation, death rates and serious illness appear far lower away from China. This could be due to a self selected population of fit, generally healthy dynamic people being the first to make contact. However, this is treading close to pure speculation, it is not evidence based so needs a discount.
I understand the concerns about seriously ill people taking up huge amounts of resources compared with their fitter cohort, I suspect that some of them are already absorbing considerable medical effort already. I find it impossible to believe that a bug of any sort has hatched a battle plan based on the idea of sinking medical services by overloading them. Yes, it could be that becomes a side effect, yes that could mean a huge increase in death duties boosting the treasury and yes, medical demands might, just might be briskly reduced at some future date due to a reduction in the not quite well. It might even help to persuade some to adopt a more considered approach to their life before it is too late.
In many ways I have some skin in the game. I’m in my mid seventies with a catalogue of issues, most though not all are ‘mechanical’ rather than purely ‘medical’. We have a few limited trips scheduled, but are already almost self quarantined. Almost 100% of our shopping is done on line, on days like today we are very pleased about that.
What really terrible days we are having, hibernation has a lot to offer.
Some districts of China are now clamping down on self medication with typical treatments such as ibuprofen, Aspirin and several others being blocked to force people to go to hospital. That sounds a bit tough on those with other ailments.
Medical facilities in other parts of the world are often looked down on by visitors and outsiders. I broke my leg in the Middle East in an office accident, later one or two medicos here, knew the orthopaedic surgeons out there, one had trained some of them. Their verdict was, ‘I am glad they attended you and I did not have to, that was a mess’. It took time, but I could walk and run once more.
Japan appeared premium, but the style was unfamiliar territory. Doctors were gods and nurses were god’s right hand people. As a foreigner I was treated differentially as a parent in a children’s hospital ITU. When I suctioned our premature infant daughter ready for a feed, nurses watched but Japanese parents withdrew when feeding cleaning, changing or anything else was due. Medical staff did it all for their child. Entry to the ITU, required washing changing, suiting and booting through several changes.
In both locations I found the main difference was the ease of access to medical treatment compared to here. I suspect that patient health and lifestyle will be a critical factor. Those whose habits such as smoking and other environmental aspects may be adversely affected. The same may well be found here, where life outcomes tend to reflect personal lifestyles. The unfortunate business man who brought Covid-19 back from Singapore says he has completely recovered, is this result of his lifestyle or the normal run of these things?
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