[Robin Long]

For me as a former driver and ASLEF member, I would rather have a guard on board,  and it’s an additional number in the event of things going wrong.  That’s OT though. automation of train functions ie. doors etc. is not mandatory in fact certain trains HST’s and alike have to have a guard since doors cannot be operated from the cab.

The real issue here is automation via AI of jobs and the effect on employees,  it’s not fair to simply blame lack of workforce or financial savings for the introduction of the AI employee.  In most cases, the AI employee has been introduced because it’s either more efficient or people just do not want the jobs.

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[Robin Long]

The problem with Southen Rail is the unwillingness of the RMT to accept DOO(Driver only operation) claiming that it’s unsafe.  The trouble for them is that a significant number of main line railways use DOO.  The London Underground have Automated trains on I believe the Picadilly Line, a driver remains as a safety number because of the RMT,  other LU lines still have a driver who does all the operation.  The issue the RMT have is not actually safety, its loss of jobs.

UK Armed forces are already a vocational employer who provide on the job training with (supposedly) civilian recognized qualifications and give serving personnel ample opportunity to access education.Personnel who have served the appropriate amount of time are also entitled to funding to retrain.

The idea of closing off borders does work Canada and Australia are proof of this, closing borders does not prohibit trade but does control the labour market, if low-paid work cannot be obtained by immigrants then it is left to the home nation to provide either manpower or automation, the UK suffers from a benefit’s system that is of no benefit to the tax payer.  Communism is not the answer but given the current technology, Britain is more than capable of self-sustaining without major inputs from the EU/Rest of the World,  the labor market needs redistribution in order to achieve this, unfortunatly sucsessive governments have failed to account for this.  Tough action is needed by the government to stop the rot from becoming and uncurable cancer.

Our industry has died because the rest of the world provided it cheaper, instead of shutting the door as other countries did we left it wide open.  Will as “The Duke” states people come back to use when these cheap companies have to raise prices due to lack of available materials which the UK would have to import from which ever country supplies them.

A Star Trek like utopia may be the only effective future solution but given the social issues the world is dealing with at the minute it’s not likely to be any time soon.

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[Robin Long]

One of the problems is that the population of the world is expanding faster that our ability to feed, cloth and house them.  Agriculture has seen a rapid progression in automation in the last one hundred years.  This automation is necessary to match the demand, but it’s also true that ease of population movement and import/export of goods and services has degraded the basic framework which our economies have been built upon.

At the start of the 20th century, the UK produced a vast amount of goods which sustained the UK economy the surplus was then sold around the world.  People in the villages worked the farms and mills which supplied the towns where the manufacturing industries were based.  In turn, these factories supplied all levels of the economy.

During and after the wars population migration towards the town reduced traditional manpower for the countrysides forcing agriculture to look else where, whilst this was not the only affecting factor given the strides in mechanisation the newly unemployed were able to find employment elsewhere. This, of course, leads to the situation you see today where villages are now a retreat for those in the town to escape to whilst automation has lead to large scale farms being run by teams of 10-15 people instead of needing the additional 100+ summer workers.

Of course, the story does not end here, the EEC came followed by the EU and allowing freedom of movement and goods.  For better or worse this destroyed the industries we had as cheaper rival appeared on our doorstep unable to turn these goods away, forcing workers to diversify and improve their processes or fail completely.  There was some shock absorption from other manual labour trades building, transportation etc. To a large extent these industries have seen little in the way of AI taking their jobs, yes a computer loads the optimal route and tells them where to drive but ultimately the delivery drive of the 70’s is still with us.

AI will play a bigger part in our lives and it does need to, the latest farms are now far more efficient thanks to self-driving GPS guided tractors, automated milking machines not only collect the milk but scan for health issues and regulate food intact to ensure we’re producing it in the quantities needed to sustain our economy.  I largely suspect the 47% unemployment will be attributed in America to the protecting the unions that have fought off the rise of the robot.

“Make America Great Again” was Trump’s slogan and certainly when you look at it Trump has the capacity to bring all though imports back to the US, and back to the workers who will become unemployed if that statistic is to be believed.  Whilst many disagree with Canada and Australia’s immigration policy they put the jobs of their citizens first, something the EU does not.

Whilst we have considered the impact that AI and automation have had on our futures, it is unlikely that the EU has.  For example, if we automate fruit picking to an AI controlled robot and prototypes do exist. Who will employ those Eastern European Workers?  Will the EU outlaw the use of such devices to protect their rights?

Inwards looking, in this case, may be our only chance of survival.  If we shut the door to the rest of the world as others have we can protect these jobs, force the unemployed to pick fruit and work the fields will they aspire to work in better conditions and climb the ladders did as our ancestors did too.  Remember at the start of the 20th century we world a world power, not something that can be said now.

 

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[Robin Long]

ah my bad, I thought it would be ok as it appeared in the preview box. Thanks

 

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[Robin Long]

https://youtu.be/IvUU8joBb1Q

Well this was my input from the MM Thread!

(would appear embed does not work)

 

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[Robin Long]

assassins creed 3 here i come!!!

knight :yahoo:

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[Robin Long]

“The Thread” is found in the overclocking forum, named “Pentium 4 at over 9.5Ghz!!!!!!” or something. Which resulted in 12 years worth of s**t posting! -Freakshow

I had so forgotten about this thread, seeing some of the names in there brought back some memories.

Knight

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