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Many thanks to you all for the birthday wishes – seems that my family want to kill me with chocolates!! ?????
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
Thank you one and all, I am now 71 years of age and officially overdrawn on the ‘bank of life’ if the Bible is correct!! ?
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
I have no objection to anyone ‘slagging off’ the police however to do so with any conviction requires a little more in-depth knowledge than Duke (Steve) appears to have. Yes I accept that he appears to have been let down by the police but I would also have to say if his real attitude towards them is anything akin to his posting, then perhaps he has only himself to blame? TBH I think his attitude stinks and based on years of experience I think that the bobby who should have come to see him also understood that and simply didn’t bother.
I find it really difficult that as a Moderator of this forum, he appears at times, unable to moderate himself.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
Sorry you feel like that Duke, having done 30 years in the job I can well understand the problems many officers and areas have with trying to do all things to / for all people, nowadays with even less staff they have to do even more with far less. I do speak with experience but I suspect you do not and perhaps cannot accept a rational explanation. That said from your current attitude I strongly suspect that you would not have made a statement though you agreed to do so initially. Sadly that is the biggest problem the police come across, willing witnesses suddenly don’t want to become involved, not my problem-ism springs to mind, yet when they need the police – scream blue murder that they didn’t do what was wanted – perhaps they too came across reluctant witnesses? I do accept that if the officer had made an appointment to take a statement from you, he should at least have had the common courtesy to tell you that he wasn’t able to come and / or arrange another suitable time. But with the demands upon them today, I can understand their position.
Unfortunately from the policing perspective the world is full of good intentions (from both sides) but so many fall on waste ground with time. Perhaps in the end a statement from you wasn’t necessary – he might have pleaded guilty in court on first appearance – lessening problems for all concerned.
As I consider myself to have had contact with the police and the legal profession and still work for the latter I do feel that perhaps I may have a bit more experience here than many and can perhaps see and appreciate problems that many will not have encountered in their working lives.
Regrettably I cannot make much sense of your last paragraph.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
Duke – I think you are being a bit cynical here, whilst it is very annoying to be let down especially by a public body there may well be very good reasons why and these may be totally unknown to you.
Perhaps the investigation is taking a longer time than first thought, perhaps what you have to say may not be that relevant at this very time (just my own thoughts) perhaps they are chasing the culprits and many other very good and valid reasons.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
This reminds me of one episode of ‘Last of the Summer Wine’ when Howard tried to convince his wife Pearl, that they has ‘stone worms’ in their walls!!
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
And not that difficult to sharpen properly!! Bl**dy lethal then!!
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
We talk about cigarettes and drink as drugs – true – BUT HMG make tax revenues out of those mugs!!
Knives – when I worked at Hawker Siddeley Aviation, Woodford many years ago – one of the sharpest knives I ever came across was a high speed steel hacksaw blade which most ‘wiremen’ used to cut back and trim wires prior to arranging into a cable run. A broken blade would have tape would along the lower half as a handle and then the rest sharpened on a grindstone.
Do we ban hacksaw blades, I’ve even seen plastic toothbrush handles trimmed to a fine point!
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
No I think the drugs war was lost from Day 1.
As much as it goes against the grain we do need to look upon the problem as a medical & social problem, the NHS simply does not gave the time or the resources to deal with it on the front line – unfortunately by the time they get to deal with it the problem has escalated enormously and so has the costs of dealing with it. There is a strong argument for the controlled supply of such substances in controlled environments where ‘clean’ drugs could be administered – thus reducing any need to commit crime to fund the habit.
The problem is that once say ‘cocaine has lost the effect on a person they go looking for something better – ‘spice’ – would that be supplied on the NHS – I suspect not.
The BIG question is – are we trying to reduce crime or reduce drugs use? They are not necessarily bedfellows.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
And yet another poor bloody PC dies today – just for doing his job. RIP.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
” …. Oh, in real life you would not have time to read any of this before you need to act….” – never a truer word spoken.
Many years ago as a ‘get up and go’ young bobby I remember of a staff appraisal my Chief Superintendent asking me what I would do in the even that an airliner crashed locally – referring to my ‘wanting to go and deal with it attitude’ of those days – he suggested that I would need to look up what I should do in such scenarios. My reply was quite simple – initially my jobs to to deal with it and not read about it – that was for senior officers. I made my point.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
EdP I do take the point you make but on many occasions such information is not always passed onto the front line police and they attend ‘in ignorance’ to face whatever is there and they have to deal with it.
One can hardly say that your area has the MH expert you mention when this is only 1 car and that the occupants work an 8 – 10 hour shift – the problem is ALWAYS after office hours or in the ‘wee small hours of the morning’ when officers are faced with this type of situation. During the daytime (office hours) help / assistance can be obtained but the poor police officers work 24/7/365 and the luxury of such assistance is even thinner on the ground than the current smear of the blue line.
As an aside during my time as a Custody Sergeant – I had to accept persons detained in public places under S136 MHA – trying to get anyone out after 8pm was virtually impossible, the local MH Dept of the hospital (20 miles away) were unable to deal with the problem – no staff, no on-call doctors, no beds etc. etc. so we were forced to detain them in a Detention Room where they were safe and supervised. Even if the hospital was able to deal with the patient, it meant that 2 officers had to make the 20 mile journey and WAIT at the Unit until that person had been seen by a doctor and accepted into the Unit – quite often this could take 75% of a police shift! Made even worse when you may only have 3 officers in total on duty to patrol a large rural island.
Such detention is now frowned upon – great – I agree – so give the police somewhere where such ill persons can be taken and not detained in a cell until ‘normal service resumes’ sometimes 15 hours hence. Person and politicians who have never had to deal with or will never ever be called to deal with such practicalities have no idea of the problems that can be and are encountered.
I don’t know if anyone here has heard of a comedian named Alfie Moore – we are going to see him in Nov at Bromsgrove. I first heard him on the radio where he described himself as a Cust Sgt who was on a ‘gap year’ and was turning to comedy – I listened to him intensely as he described various scenarios to his audience – so funny BUT SO TRUE. I so sympathised with him and would have to say that the majority of the UK Cust Sgts had been through most of the scenarios he so eloquently described to his audience and also inviting their participation at the same time. The audience thought him hilarious but every word he said was based on fact if you had done his work as I had.
Ladies and gentlemen – you have got to have been there before you can really criticise – the road to hell is paved with the good intentions of those armchair experts who have the answer to almost everything but have done virtually nothing at all. The armed forces are under scrutiny for their actions 40+ years ago – people criticise what was allegedly done – but were they there AT THE TIME??????????????????
Sorry for the rant but when people pay their dues to be protected than occasionally the human element in any interaction will go awry.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
EdP
“…..While I agree no-one has stated that the tasering was due to inexperience, the officer concerned may have taken a totally different approach if he/she had known the full background of the individual in question, it may also have resulted in sending a team that included a mental health specialist (this is now standard practice in my area when the situation is known to include such an individual)….”
I had prepared a much longer diatribe reply but lost the lost when I went to look for the above comment – going back to P1 killed what I had written!! The big question I have to ask re EdPs comment above – how do you know the person has MH issues? It is lovely to know that his area now has specialist MH person to attend such incidents.
Generally such incidents spark off in the street at 3am and have to be dealt with immediately and not having to wait for any MH or Social worker to attend Based on my own experience with MH specialists getting them out between 7pm and 9am is generally classed as a miracle and a ‘normal social worker’ impossible.
Unfortunately the police these days do not have the luxury of time on their hands, they are unable to form a committee to come to an agreement, they cannot consider what the book says should be done, with what practicalities says must be done.
Damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
Just ain’t been your month has it Rich!!
Lot to be said for the GAMI principle – Get A Man In – if you can find a trustworthy one that is.
Heal soon my friend ????
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
Dave – I agree but there is an old adage that ‘when you are up to your neck in alligators, it’s easy to forget that the goal was to drain the swamp’.
What is the alternative – do the American police forces have it right????
Whilst anything can go wrong at any time – we have to accept that as a fact of life – we have car accidents – should we close all roads, we have nurses to kill – do we close all hospitals, we have air crashes – should we ban all aeroplanes?? The list is endless. There are no ideal senarios for every day situations.
As much as anyone can do, we do have to accept that, as long as there is human interaction – things can and will go wrong – occasionally with tragic consequences for both sides. Please have a look how many police officers have been killed in the course of their duty in the last 10 years as compared to the death rate from tasers. Those officers did not go to work on that day intending to kill someone or to be killed – fact of life.
Our emergency services are expected to do more and more with less and less staffing, large decreases in budgets, certainly these days the police have HAD to take on new rolls for which they were, in my time never trained for, just because other agencies are in the same dire straits as the police BUT the police are there 24/7/365 and they HAVE to cope and that is how HMG gets away with it!! The ‘stress level sickness’ of police is now higher than it ever has been. I wonder why?
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
I’m so impressed that some here think that it is ONLY the police who will try to cover their own butt end when the excreta hits the air conditioner – of course it NEVER EVER happens in any other job?? In extreme emergencies you will easily recognise the police – they are the ones running to the incident when YOU are running in the opposite direction!!
Tragically the taser has had bad publicity and as in all jobs some officers are more zealous then others – can they be blamed? It is so very easy to pull out a few bad incidents and forget the thousands where a taser may have ended what could have ended up as a very bad situation.
But then you’ve gotta have been there to understand it!!
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
Have a god holiday.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
Yes all OK now, seems to have been a problem the AOL end thankfully!!
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
There is a problem with AOL at the moment – my wife can’t get onto her account either off her own PC.
Thanks Dave will try your suggestion but it seems possibly that AOL has a problem.
Ta, Dave
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
Seems that I can get into AOL but stymied on my emails accounts.
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
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