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Thanks to Nolan, BL and Steve, for stating what we ought to know. Forumite is a very broad church and we are all mates here, I believe. There is enough division and outright hatred of another’s POV in this country now, we do not need to wreck this unique gathering by joining that. I agree that our political system is broken and I believe that we are in for some changes after Brexit is sorted. (If ever…)
I am not going to comment within this Thread again and I really believe it has reached EOL. Should it be killed?
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I'm out.VFM wrote:
” Can’t we just start by having National borders instead of letting more Have-Nots move in? ”
Our national border(s) will not survive Brexit. Scotland will immediately hold another Independence Referendum and will leave the UK. I have family and lots of friends up there and they all tell me that the Independence movement is swinging more towards voting yes. The same feeling is said to be growing in Wales. There are areas of England which share Scotland’s feelings.
I wonder if Cameron realises that his untimely, thoughtless, unplanned knee-jerk decision may just cause the UK to fragment?
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I'm out.Extreme right: Johnny Depp has just seen MV Balmoral setting out on a Bristol Channel Cruise!
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I'm out.I know Bob, but they could only trusts the marines to carry it forward.
You’re right of course, but I made that comment just for your reaction, Steve!??
BL, the St. Nazaire raid was planned, manned, supplied and organised by the guys in the book.
Ed, see answer to BL above.
Nolan, Churchill set up his Secret Warriors and SOE by relying upon the 6 men in the book who got together to plan Ungentlemanly Warfare, as you will find after reading it.
I just feel that the generation which fought in WWII, was extraordinary. I take “Flypast” every month and notice the shrinking number of aircrew and groundcrew whose deaths since last issue are recorded. Most in their 90’s now of course, a few 100+. Flypast have begun recording the passing of servicemen from later conflicts such as Korea and they are not much younger. A few years ago, I met 2 locals who served in WWII: one was a Lancaster rear gunner, the other a Fleet Air arm pilot who served on 3 carriers including Victorious. He eventually saw his last action in the Far East, attacking Japan. Both men are gone now, neither would talk about their actual service, apart from the aircraft and the ships. Which is what you find when speaking to most of those who saw out WWII in active service.
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I'm out.DEATH
A man dies and enters Heaven. Standing before God, he sees Jesus at God’s right hand, and a janitor at his left, complete with mop, bucket and cleaning materials. He asks the janitor “Who are you?”
“I’m Cleanliness.”
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3 couples all die on the same day and queue at the Pearly Gates. St. Peter asks the first couple their names: “Bill and Penny Jones” says the husband. “Sorry,” says St. Pete, “Can’t have names in here with a money connection. Filthy Lucre, and all that.” He asks the next couple their names “Jack and Brandy O’Leary.” “Oh no, that’s an alcohol reference, can’t have that”
The 3rd husband whispers to his wife “Listen Fanny, from now on your name is Mary.”
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A woman goes to a psychic and contacts her dead husband. “Are you happy darling?” is her first question “I really hope you’re happy.” “I certainly am,” says her husband “I’m in a field, with lovely sweet grass and surrounded by beautiful cows.”
“Cows? What about angels?” “No, but walking towards me is an absolutely gorgeous cow”.
“Why do you keep harping on about cows?” says his wife.
“Sorry, I forgot to mention that I came back. I’m a bull now.”
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I'm out.wasbit, the Auxiliary Units were started by the organisation in this book and the source of GCHQ is also mentioned.
Steve, Anders Lassen was trained and sent in by the same people in the book, he was an outstanding soldier who stood out even among so many others. I will look for the book you mention.
Ed yes, it was the OSS.
BL, you’re welcome mate!
Reading “Ungentlemanly Warfare” will show that the organisation was the source of so many other parties who fought the Nazis, then eventually the Japanese. Including the Commandos. (not Marines Steve: Commandos were drawn from the best of all Arms.) They ran the Resistance in so many countries, they invented and produced all the weapons and explosives used to stop the Germans operating in Europe. There is one scenario which has a few British and French agents preventing ‘Das Reich’ German Armoured Division reaching Normandy to oppose and probably stop D-Day. It took 17 days for Das Reich to get there, by which time the Allies had enough armour in the field to win through.
Most of these guys were civilians a few years before the war, their worst opposition was actually British generals and politicians, who thought that war was a game of cricket and ‘Dirty war’ was not British. The RAF Air Marshall had to be ordered by Winston to give them aircraft and the generals ordered by him to supply them with whatever they needed. Winston was their greatest supporter and believed that war had to be won, by any means necessary.
This book was a WWII eye-opener for me, I cannot recommend it enough.
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I'm out.There were no humans in what became Britain and Ireland, before the Neanderthals moved in at the end of an Ice Age. They were driven out when the glaciers returned and eventually became extinct*. They were replaced by the first modern humans after the end of the last Ice Age. There has been constant, continual immigration since then: first Palaeolithic (Old Stone age) people replaced by interbreeding with other hunter-gatherers in the Mesolithic, to be replaced by interbreeding or competition with Neolithic (New Stone Age) peoples. When Doggerland was flooded and our islands separated from Europe, others still came. They brought the Bronze Age and the Iron Age, and agriculture from North African** people who moved West, bringing crop growing knowledge with them. Neolithics gave way to Celts, Romans arrived, Germanic peoples supplanted them, then came the Normans. And others, from all over the world, followed, in larger or smaller numbers, over the succeeding centuries.
*But their genetic inheritance lives on, to a greater or lesser extent, within the bodies of many modern humans.
** There is genetic material within the majority of the people of these islands, in varying amounts, to this day, from these North Africans. Geneticists have traced it to the areas of Syria and Iraq, where the cultivation and cross-fertilisation of the wild grasses that became wheat and barley, began.
There were no humans in Ireland before a Celtic people from the British Isles sailed across.
The point I am labouring to make here, is that there has always been immigration into the British and Irish islands. There is no such person as a “True Brit”, we are a cosmopolitan, racial mix from everywhere. After the first modern humans (Homo Erectus) left Africa around 2 million years ago and spread across the world, humans evolved and developed separate facial and bodily characteristics, but all humans can still interbreed.
So there is no separate human species. It’s a melting pot. Today’s problems of mass immigration have only one causal beginning: over 7 billion people, war, and dwindling resources. The Have-Nots will continue to press the Haves and it will get worse. I predict a future which will result in the Haves taking decisions to reduce the number of Have Nots by any means necessary. To survive, it may be necessary for the Have nations to adopt Hitlerian measures.
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I'm out.Interesting link Ed, but those young people are from the South East. Up here and in other areas, our young are just trying to get educational qualifications and/or work, wherever and whenever they can. I liken the views of the young man featured, to my own attraction to Communism at 15. Followed by complete rejection of all it stood for, when I realised the truth.
I believe that most MP’s are currently thinking about keeping their seats as a priority. They are akin to sheep: if only a few adventurous ones, looking for greener grass, go through the hedge, the majority will favour the status quo. If and when the quo is no longer status, they will imitate rats departing a sinking vessel.
Ed, your brow is in the stratosphere when disparaging Pointless: I like the show, it’s harmless entertainment. Obviously you have not seen some of the younger ones who are obviously well educated. Admittedly there are some with less intelligence and knowledge than others, that’s life. TV shows that I do not like, I don’t watch, which includes Soaps, but I don’t judge the intelligence of people by their viewing habits.
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I'm out.I never disagree violently. I disagree justifiably.
Heheh.
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I'm out.February 23, 2019 at 9:59 pm in reply to: Is Labour now "#&cked" as was overheard yesterday during the TIG Launch? #31076When I said I vote for the person, not the Party, I meant it, but I should have added that I always research, as much as possible, any potential candidates who want my vote. The problem with our democracy is that the majority of voters do not carry out even the simplest of checks: they simply put a cross against the name of the candidate who wears the rosette of the Party they have always voted for. It’s akin to eating out every night and having the same meal: it is the sad old British habit “We have always done it this way.”
Then there are the idiots who do not even vote, “Because it makes no difference.” Tell these morons that people suffered and died in thousands to win the vote and you get the blank look of those who have become dead above the eyebrows.
To those who criticise the admittedly imperfect form of democracy we do have, I have to ask, what are your alternatives? If the events proceed in one certain direction during the current political crisis*, you may get your answer: riots and anarchy, famine and shortages of everything.
*Anyone who thinks the current situation is not a crisis, actual or eventual, is not paying attention. IMO.
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I'm out.February 22, 2019 at 7:05 pm in reply to: Is Labour now "#&cked" as was overheard yesterday during the TIG Launch? #31046Dave wrote: –
” Steve, you vote for the person not the party. ”
I could not agree more, that is how I have always voted. Party Politics is an abomination.
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I'm out.No I am not in favour of lowering the voting age Richard, but the ideas expressed by Ed in his last post are very interesting. After all is said and done, the young are the future of this country. I know from my grandbrats and their friends, that most appear to be super-critical of what they see as a carp future handed to them by the actions of present and previous generations. Their opinion of the ISIS ‘bride’ varies between “She is British born, how can she be refused entry?” (most) to “We don’t want her here.” (tiny minority)
Today I have been to my favourite barbers: three Turkish lads set up in Louth and are doing well. I had a conversation with the boss, a thirty-something entrepreneur with strong views on almost everything east of Turkey. He began talking to me after I told him that I had visited Izmir and Istanbul as a 16 and 17 year old junior Seaman, then Northern Cyprus during my Med voyages. I said that I had visited Lefkosa (Nicosia) Gazimağusa (Famagusta) and bathed off the beautiful beaches off the Karpoz peninsula. He asked why I had given the Turkish names, as everyone else he meets in the UK uses the (bracketed) Greek names. I told him that our ship’s cargo was always fruit from Turkish Cypriot businesses and that the owner invited the whole crew to a slap up meal every day of our stay. He invited me for a Turkish coffee and almond cakes at the rear of his barber shop and we talked. I told him that our welcome from any part of Turkey had always been warmer than an equivalent area of Greece, and we had also taken cargoes there, in the port of Piraeus. He said that the vast majority of Turks are equally opposed to Saudi Arabia and Iran, but they know that they are a bridge between Europe and the East. They feel more European than Eastern. He asks why the West has been supporting Kurds, when they have been killing Turks for decades: how would the UK have viewed Turkey supporting the IRA during the Troubles?
I appear to have made another Muslim friend, which gives me another slant upon the world and its problems. I have the cance to learn from another viewpoint.
And it was a great haircut!
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I'm out.Ed, I take your accurate point about representation of her religion.
Aden, and by extension Yemen, was in the 60’s a very complex situation, further complicated by religious hair-splitting and the many tribes and clans, who all seemed to hate each other. It was of course always a religious issue, as they all hated us as infidels and Ferenghi Devils.
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I'm out.Ed I bow to your knowledge of Islam, my own knowledge based upon service in the Middle East during the 60’s. However, I also have Muslim friends and I put the Salafist description to them. Some are from both sides of the Islamist divide, but the general feeling is that she is still a Muslim and that it is quite possible to de – radicalise her, although it is admittedly a difficult and long process.
Richard I have to ask why your views are so bitter and acrimonious. I have to repeat: she was 15, and gave birth to children when still a child herself. At that age, all human beings are impressionable and likely to take on opinions about the world that in later life, they come to see were wrong. At 15, for example, I was attracted to Communism, by a friend at school whose dad was a card-carrying member. I lectured my poor old dad about how well Russia was performing, until my big brother supplied me with literature from unimpeachable sources, to demonstrate that it was all lies.
Yes, she is indoctrinated, but that can be changed: there are organisations that exist to do that. Please do not ignore the fact that she took on her beliefs at a very vulnerable age and has been reinforced in those beliefs by living her young life amongst a harsh and repressive regime. If she cannot accept the conditions I mentioned in my last post, then there is no alternative to refusal of entry and removing her son, to be adopted. But if there is a chance to save her from this indoctrination, it should be taken.
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I'm out.She was 15 when she left, a child who had stupid ideas, based upon “heroic” falsehoods which radicalised her. None of her children asked to be born, including the two she is said to have lost. Without reference to the history of her latest child’s parents, this should be understood. What were the lives of any of us like at 15? What were our opinions, how opposed to the status quo?
It is now legally necessary and enforceable that she is readmitted to the country of her birth. The conditions should be that she submits to a de-radicalisation programme and her child is adopted to a family many miles from her location, given a new name and never given any information about his biological parents. Can you imagine what the effect of knowing who his parents were, and what they did, could do to the child when he grows up?
If she does not agree to these conditions, strip her of UK citizenship, do not readmit her, but a way should be found to return the child to the UK and carry out the adoption process while he is still young enough to bond with adopted parents.
We have to find a way to live with most Muslims in this country and see them as British citizens. I have seen too many FB posts from too many idiots calling for ‘Deportation of all Muslims’. What? Even the doctors, consultants, nurses, police officers, etc, etc? Plus of course the barmpots who believe that Brexit means the end of free movement and any Commonwealth citizen living and working here, can be deported.
Sometimes I despair of even apparently intelligent citizens of my country.
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I'm out.More than 5 years ago, I created an A5 book of removable, replaceable pages in an anonymous plastic A5 file. Using Text Boxes in Open Office, I made a small template that was update-able and entered all my passwords, site details etc. I also made reference pages, with short Help texts for various PC items, and details of all devices. It’s easy to add new stuff in pencil, wait until there is an appreciable amount of new stuff to add, open the template and renew the text. Changing passwords is much easier this way.
I join Richard in being wary of using a mobile or tablet for internet banking. Only my desktop and SWMBO’s laptop are used for that.
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I'm out.FRIENDSHIP
A good friend is the guy who bails you out of jail. Your best friend is the one in the next cell, saying “Damn, that was fun!”
You are my best mate. If we were both on a sinking ship and had one life jacket between us, I would really miss you and think of you often.
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DOGS
A dog is in a cinema, watching a movie with his owner. When the hero appears, the dog wags his tail. If the villain shows up, the dog growls. A lady sitting nearby says “That is fantastic, what a clever dog!”
“Yeah, I don’t understand it,” says the owner “he hated the book!”
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A sign in front of a house says “For Sale – Talking Dog.” A passerby goes in to investigate, the owner takes him to a dog chained in the backyard. “Can you talk?” he asks the dog. “Yes, I discovered this when I was pup and contacted MI6. They had me sitting in rooms around the world, listening to conversations and reporting what I heard. For five years I was their best asset, no one would believe a dog could talk. Then I grew tired of traveling, so I was hired by Security at Heathrow Airport, sat around in VIP lounges listening to people from all over the world and reporting suspicious people. I uncovered a lot of spies and drug deals and was given many medals. Then I retired and settled down with a beautiful bitch, had lots of pups.
“W0w!” says the bloke, “What a fantastic dog! How much do you want for him?”
“Ten quid,” says the owner. “Only a tenner for such a fantastic dog, why?”
“Because he’s such a bloody liar!”
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My dog has an ingrown tail. I had to have him X-Rayed to find out if he’s happy or not.
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I'm out.The picture is absolutely clear to those who wish to interpret the current picture of business and financial movements planned and considered, away from the UK. After Brexit, Fear will be a reality, not a Project. Fear of gradually occurring job losses by the thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands. Fear of losing raw materials, food, housing and a half-decent way of life.
“Suck it and See” is going to cause the worst times in this country since the 1920’s and ’30’s.
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I'm out.February 19, 2019 at 6:55 pm in reply to: Dealing with a Housing Association, any experiences or advice? #30931A large pic of a large Rottweiler or similar, jaws open and teeth showing, on the front door or window. Notice reading “De-barked, but not Defanged!”
You don’t have to actually own a dog…
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I'm out.February 19, 2019 at 6:48 pm in reply to: Is Labour now "#&cked" as was overheard yesterday during the TIG Launch? #30930I have said before that I grew up with a Socialist background: granddad a founder member of the Independent Labour Party, big brother an NUM delegate who got sick of the local Labour mob and became a Councillor, eventually Independent Labour. Our dad brought us up to ‘vote for a candidate, not his Party.’ and ‘Always remember that you are better than no one and no one is better than you.’ Dad was an independent thinker and made sure we followed suit. In my life I have voted for all 3 Party candidates at different times, because I checked out the person behind the Rosette and made up my mind based upon a view of their character. I voted for one of Blair’s people in my old Notts village and I still regard him as one of the only two trustworthy politicians I ever met. The other was the late Sir Peter Tapsell, a traditional Tory but unafraid of defying his own Party, even in government.
IMO, Corbyn is someone who undoubtedly carried a Communist Party Card in his youth. He is brother chip to people like Scargill, always trying to fight battles that were long since lost. Should he ever be elected as PM of a Labour government, it will be because of the Youth Vote. When that generation eventually realises that his promises were pie crusts and his lack of leadership competence becomes blindingly obvious, that will be another generation of people who distrust politicians and politics.
The usual Union suspects and radical Left Wing pillocks are mustering behind Corbyn, and the more intelligent, moderate thinkers in his party are either leaving or considering their next moves.
I find myself in agreement with VFM (surprised?):
“…it is probably true to say that Labour under Blair was the closest we have ever had to a centrist party, which is perhaps why he won three elections.”
Absolutely true, and initially he was a very good leader, but as the old saying goes, power corrupts. It all went to his head and it still does, although it now goes to his pocket as well. The Silent Majority of this country does not favour extremist politics of any flavour for long.
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