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BL, I have the same respect for your opinions and beliefs as you have for mine. I may disagree with you on some things, but what I honestly believe is that old saying that should be the glue that holds a democracy together:
I may disagree with your words, but I would fight to the death for your right to speak them. I believe that, always have, always will.
My decision to vote for remaining in the EU, came only after a long period of thinking about it. I based it upon what I thought was right for the young people of this country, specifically my grandchildren and their friends, but covering all their generation. They will have to live with the results of all the decisions we make, after all. Including all election votes, and I believe that TM is a dead woman walking, whilst Jeremy Corbyn is currently the hero of a large majority of young British people right now. I think that the DUP are not enough to save the Tories, and there will soon be another election. All it will take, is a change of heart by Sinn Fein MP’s, who have been elected but will not sit in Parliament to swear obedience, etc, to the Queen. If something like that happens, and in order to stymie the Loyalists, Gerry Adams may well bring that about, I believe you will get your Labour government. Which would have had my granddad smiling, as he was a founder member of the Independent Labour Party at the turn of the 19th Century. And my much-missed big bro, who was a Labour Councillor, later as a result of the Miners Strike, Independent Labour.
You are absolutely right to believe that a democratic vote should be respected and upheld. My point is that the pressures brought to bear upon the British voters in the Referendum, were unfair, possibly illegal, certainly immoral. In a climate of hysterical, untrue, often bizarre pronouncements from both sides, how could we have hoped to arrive at a sensible decision? There were all the many far Right organisations posturing in the media and FB, waving Union Flags and making demented, fascist pronouncements about the EU. There was the far Left doing the same, with the usual divided Lefty habit of taking both sides at once. Then there were the major political Talking Heads, making statements they knew were untrue, for which they are now paying the price.
It’s a bloody mess.
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I'm out.It is rare for me to completely agree with every single word of a post here, but that is what happened after reading Jason’s last Reply.
A lot of the things Jason describes, happened to me on FB, which I use mostly to keep in contact with my far-flung relatives. Most of them disagreed with my Remain stance, which I had agonised over. To give you an idea about the effects of that vote: my missus and I voted on opposite sides, as did my son, but my daughter shared my views, whilst her partner voted Leave. IMO the vote was so close because the proponents of both sides lied, bent the facts, and misrepresented information. I believe that, on some level, the mass of the British public vaguely sensed that and that is why the vote was so close. Whether or not you believe that statement, the truth is that we are still being lied to. Politicians (again, on both sides of the vote) are now being reminded by the media, on film and in print, of statements they made, which are contrary to facts, information and statements they give today. Their reaction is along the lines of “… I have no recollection…”
Family members, as I say, mostly disagreed with my Remain stance. Some were violent in opposition to my views, two used obscene language on FB, in the mistaken impression that it proved their point. My close family here have all agreed to settle our differences, but there are nephews and nieces that I have lost contact with and have actually blocked me on FB, a tactic which does not bother me, but does sadden me. Old friends who disagreed, have either stayed in contact, or never stopped being friends. What cheered me was the knowledge that 3 of our 4 grandchildren all supported my Remain vote. Two of them were of voting age at the time, the 3rd has since become 18 and states that he does not want to see another Referendum, but would vote Remain. I had no influence upon them and did not advise them before they voted, but I voted Remain because I believed it would be the best outcome for their futures.
The result of Brexit will take time to filter through, but I believe that every single Leave voter will regret their vote, when the hard times hit the UK. As they will, make no mistake. If there is some political chicanery which results in another referendum, I firmly believe that will result in a bigger majority voting to stay in the EU. Young voters are beginning to realise that they have a weapon to achieve this and they will turn out in large numbers to make their votes count for their futures. Some of them already look upon my generation as their betrayers.
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I'm out.Steve linked me to TC some time ago, and gave the same information about permissions. Thanks mate, it works for me.?
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I'm out.On reflection Ed, you are right, but I have seen a version at school in B&W: after a call to one of my old schoolmates this afternoon, he confirms that. Projected onto a white sheet on a classroom wall from an old 8mm cine projector, the memory had us both giggling like the 12 year olds we were then. In 1944 before June 6th, there were probably 1,000’s of lads in khaki available, waiting for D-Day. In war films later, there were plenty of NatService bodies to play with!
The English teacher at our Technical school worked hard to drum some culture into the heads of the 800+ boys there. He organised plays, Shakespeare and modern playwrights, for us to demonstrate our acting talents. (Or lack of.) I still recall my lines as one of the 3 witches in the Scottish play, probably type-casting! He also collaborated with the Music teacher to produce a Gilbert & Sullivan opera every year. I was one of the “Three Little Girls From School” in Mikado and a Pirate in Penzance. Looking back, an amazing school: taught the first elements of draughtmanship and Engineering, and gave us culture in interesting ways. All in two rows of Nissen Huts, connected by a brick-built covered way. It was a POW camp, a US Army Hospital, (taking the expected enormous casualties after D-Day) a Police Training College, then a Technical School.
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I'm out.I enjoyed Boys From Brazil, excellent film with some great acting. Casting Sir Laurence Olivier and Gregory Peck, was a work of genius, two of the greatest. I also liked the Marathon Man https://tinyurl.com/yaqczgcy – watching Sir Larry acting another great American star (Dustin Hoffman) off the screen.
“Is it safe?” “Is it Safe?” demands Sir Larry, as he yanks out Hoffman’s teeth without the benefit of anaesthetic. Olivier was completely believable in both films, totally different roles. I first saw him when I was very young, my dad took me to see him as Henry V in the old black and white Shakespeare film. “You have to see films like this,” said dad “to see great acting, real plots and great stories.” My dad was a miner all his life, but he wanted his sons to see the whole of life. Another week, he took me to see Alan Ladd in Shane. “More great acting, but totally different.” said dad.
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I'm out.“Food Technology” reminds me of a very (in)famous Lincolnshire female with a Food Tech degree, who invented soft ice cream, as in Mr Whippy and Mr Softee. None other than Maggie Thatcher, who invented the way to efficiently insert air into the ice cream mix, thus enabling those two companies and others, to make more profit out of less material. And I think it is correct to say that she patented it, which may answer several questions about the Iron Lady.
Fake news, I’m afraid. She did no such thing.
It would seem that you are correct Jason, after some research I found this: https://tinyurl.com/y84rl8ha
I humbly apologise to the shade of The Blessed Margaret, Lady Thatcher, for my false report. Lots of other stuff I will never apologise for connecting her too, though. This is another example of what is now labelled Fake News. I am ashamed of disseminating such a calumny, and will check sources in future.
I’m very ‘umble.
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I'm out.Two farmers from the Deep South of Lincolnshire are ” ‘avin a gas” in the middle of a narrow country road, when a sports car screams around the corner at great speed. The young man at the wheel swings the car towards the hedge, to avoid the farmers. The car shoots up a hidden embankment, straight up in the air, turns over twice and crashes onto its wheels in the middle of a ploughed field. One farmer turns towards the other.
“That were lucky ‘arry!”
“It were”, says ‘arry “Ah were stood in middle o’ yon field nobuttt 10 minutes gone!”
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A man moves to the country and decides to become self-sufficient, so first he needs livestock. He visits several farms before one farmer will sell him any animals. “I want a rooster, a chicken and a donkey.” he says.
“OK, but round here we call a rooster a cock, a chicken a pullet and a donkey is an ass. Now I can definitely sell all three, but you have to be very careful around the ass. He might try to bite you, so if he does, just scratch behind his ears and he will calm down.”
The buyer gets on the ass and he tucks the cock and pullet under each arm to ride the ass home. Halfway home, the ass starts trying to bite his rider. Seeing a lady by a gate, and unable to scratch the ass’s ears while holding the cock and pullet under his arms, he gets off and asks the lady a perfectly reasonable question.
“Excuse me lady, could you possibly hold my cock and pullet while I scratch my ass?”
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I'm out.“Food Technology” reminds me of a very (in)famous Lincolnshire female with a Food Tech degree, who invented soft ice cream, as in Mr Whippy and Mr Softee. None other than Maggie Thatcher, who invented the way to efficiently insert air into the ice cream mix, thus enabling those two companies and others, to make more profit out of less material.
And I think it is correct to say that she patented it, which may answer several questions about the Iron Lady.
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I'm out.Thanks, Edp & PM:
Ed thank you but I had already been there, no joy.
PM: thank you but I have received an astonishingly fast response from Wileyfox, after having a polite moan on the site.
Response:
Lee Sefton (Wileyfox)
20 Jun, 18:12 BST
Hello
Thank you for your email.
Please don’t despair the reason you haven’t been able to find the update is due to it not being released yet.
We are just putting some finishing touches to it and it should be released in the next couple of weeks.
Kind Regards
Wileyfox Customer Support
I first received an auto response, within 10 minutes, then within 2 hours the above message dropped into my mailbox. Now that’s proper Customer service! It has relieved certain marital pressures….? ???
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I'm out.Reviving this one due to domestic pressure. ??
As I previously stated, my Swift updated to Android 7 Nougat automatically overnight, no problems. Now, despite extensive searches everywhere I can think of, I cannot find an update for SWMBO’s Spark. (the original Spark, not the X) No such update or upgrade is listed on any site. All I can find is the Lineage O/S, which also has no update for the Spark, just the Swift and Storm.
I have contacted Wfox and asked for help with this. SWMBO’s phone was not expensive, but it would be an expensive paperweight if it dies completely after the O/S dies. Anyone have any ideas?
TY in advance guys.
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I'm out.These last few have all had me cracking up. Almost fell off my chair, ribs are aching, face is wet, jaw hurts. I may sue…?
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I'm out.+1 to the Lenovo in Dave’s link. My completely tech-unsavvy missus has the B50 and loves it. Bonus is that it’s so easy to maintain in good safe nick, which is good for the house IT section (Me) SWMBO does a lot of family history and it has helped her do that much easier than the old HP did.
Later in the year I will be parting with my desktop and buying a lappy: that will be a Lenovo. They are IMO as well made or better than the equivalent HP and usually cheaper.
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I'm out.Thanks are due to Drezha for the experience-derived details. Thanks also to Edp for expanding upon Drezha’s account.
I was considering finding and posting Ed’s link to the refridgerator issue, you beat me to it Ed! I knew I had seen a short video from the guy who described the fridge explosion. I now think that the inevitable confusion which surrounds the case of a Big Incident and Too Many Possible Causes, has arrived. Complicated by self-confessed ‘experts’ who have their own hypothetical theories, which are then taken up and used in hysterical outpourings to the media. Some media outlets will of course use these ‘theories’ in banner headlines, resulting in the current fear engendered in thousands of high rise residents throughout the UK.
As Drezha has demonstrated, there is no one “cause” for the whole terrible event. Confusion and obfuscation will inevitably result in a long, expensive Public Inquiry which will possibly see some minor sacrificial heads roll. The proposed Criminal Investigation may be a different matter. Time and a great deal of harrumphing by elderly figureheads, will eat away at any Inquiry. Look at the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse: stalled by resignations, witnesses and key figures ageing.
I am not going the conspiracy route here, but this is what always happens in this country to most Public Inquiries. The truth may not be buried, it is usually moved sideways until time destroys its impact.
Er antwortete mit dem ihn eigenem zynismus…
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I'm out.Thanks guys, I have copied and sent both posts to senior Gson. as he picks up personal emails about as often as I pick up winning tickets, I have to send a short one to his work addy, telling him to read his personal box. He is not good at reading texts or answering calls on either mobile or home phone either: leaves both phones in his bedroom at the other end of his flat.
He drives the family bonkers, only his 18 yo cousin can talk any sense into him.?
Many thanks, I may or may not learn if he has succeeded.? Then will pass it on.
Cheers, Bob.
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I'm out.Thanks for that Ed, I apologise to Mr H. He does seem to be deciding to make statements that no other Minister or government figure will make. He has my respect for telling the truth.
Now check out the latest evidence of BoJo stupidity:
Scroll down to the first “2013” comment. How his words have come back to haunt him, why cannot the PM see that the man is a walking time-bomb?
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I'm out.The Sun Dial is 10 minutes slow though….
That’s probably because you nicked it from someone down South – above the Watford Gap is a different Time Zone!!
Har de Har John! ?
3 miles down the road is Louth town centre. The Greenwich Meridian runs literally right through the centre of Louth town. https://tinyurl.com/yc8rly3n
Most locations above the Gap are in the wrong Zone! And most of the UK, come to think of it…
But WE know where we are! And I bought the Sun Dial from a Louth Garden Centre. My garden is a little bit East, have not adjusted for that since we left Louth 14 years ago.?
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I'm out.Didn’t matter which section I tried to place it Lee, it just reverted to Law & Legal, would not let me do anything else.
Not a problem, someone will answer.
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I'm out.Philip Hammond is currently attacking his own party of government on all fronts: https://tinyurl.com/yao8f6r5
Quite obviously wants the Tob Job when (if?) May bites the dust. He should check her record. She has outfought and outlasted some heavyweights on her way up.
As Graham says, no point in speculating about blame and root causes until an Inquiry has jumped through all the hoops. It is a terrible, monstrous incident, the deaths and injuries are horrendous. However, if you listen and observe closely over the coming months, you may hear and observe the signs of CYA on a grand scale.
The understandable anger of the people involved, their relatives, friends and neighbours, is going to keep this one alive for some time.
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I'm out.OT: Where will you get the hot dogs?
Don’t they grow on trees? Where do the supermarkets get them? PS Like the back garden.
Yes sorry hot dogs grow on trees next to the Spaghetti bushes. Look out for a money tree, my missus thinks I have one.???
Thanks, we love our back garden. Lies almost East-West, gets the sun all day. The Sun Dial is 10 minutes slow though….
Hot out there today: 30º C.
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Where will you get the hot dogs? I won’t need matches btw, I know how to make a bow drill and a long hardwood stick drilled into a piece of softwood, surrounded by wood shavings, soon makes a fire. Dry wood of course! This is the posh way: –
There will always be plenty of rabbits, here’s one on my back garden:

Gutted, roasted on a stick over the fire, Yum! Not mention baby sparrows, not much meat but crunchy:

I put the sparrow back in the bird box, its parents were nagging me. Rabbit is a wild one, it eats dandelions and weeds so i leave it alone. My back garden is a bloody zoo!
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