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May 28, 2017 at 10:36 am #8073
If you take an interest in military things then this week’s New Scientist has a thought provoking article that suggests that Trident may very soon become a total waste of money. While the conclusions of the article are of course speculative (no Nation especially Russia is going to reveal their defence capabilities), the article speculates on known technologies and the probability that Russia has a commanding lead in this area.
Some technologies are ‘public’, for example sonar and sonar arrays have been in the public domain since the days of ‘Red Oktober’. Others such as the US DEA’s detection of drug smuggling subs using infrared sensors are relatively new.(works as subs used by the smugglers are only 20 feet or so under water). Other technologies such as the long-term wake tracks from operational subs is more speculative but military analysts are starting to sound alarm bells about the Russian lead in this area, and the UK 2016 Defence White Paper now looks like it may not be based on any real certainty regarding the stealthy nature of subs.
Also in this week’s mag is an article separating fact from fiction for a large number of handed down cooking ‘facts’ e.g soak an onion in water before slicing to stop it irritating your eyes — total bs according to the article all it will do is increase the probability of cutting ones self. Stick it in the freezer for 10 minutes instead.
All told an interesting read.
May 28, 2017 at 11:22 am #8077Anonymous
Forumite Points: 0Trident replacement is well into its design and phase. The place I work is involved and they have the design in testing at the moment for their part.
There is of course work to detect them, but the actual subs that will carry trident (Dreadnaught class) will not be easily detectable. The sub leaves port, finds a good location to hide in and that’s it. It stays out at sea, sits in one location waiting for the call to launch.
The attack subs, sure they are carrying out missions and could get close to locations where there is monitoring to locate subs sneaking around, but Vanguard replacement itself, no chance of being spotted. They sit quietly way too deep.
May 28, 2017 at 4:35 pm #8086The article is worth a read FS! The detection mechanism is likely based on the vortex wake the sub makes as it travels along. Apparently these faint wakes (‘fossil turbulence’) may be detectable on the surface for a considerable period. The Russians detect the wake then plot roughly where it ends as a starting point for other detection methods. Other mechanisms such as the Debye effect might also be used for movement detection. The thermal layer disturbance from the nuclear reactor plume. would still be in evidence even when the sub is at standstill unless the reactor can be completely shut-down, but this may limit how long a sub could stay on position. The article speculates on the possibility of combining these detection mechanisms with techniques such as hunter-killer drone subs.
While the fossil wake detection referred to in the article is speculative it was interesting to note a comment that Russian Subs are fitted with small vortex unwinding propellers and vortex attenuators on their screws. Not by any means proof of a Russian interest in vortex wakes, as probably such devices would also decrease the noise from the screws.
October 28, 2017 at 7:34 am #13117I still think that Trident per-se is a horrible waste of tax payers money, but having it manned by a bunch of coke-heads really makes me shiver! link
October 28, 2017 at 7:51 am #13118I doubt they was high while on duty. But is bad form non the less. But cocaine is just as much part of life as alcohol. Go to any pub/football game/event/even shopping centre and it’s everywhere, you can’t miss it if you know what to look for. I’m sure it always has been. There has always been a drug of choice outhere. Wasn’t it the 70s when they said, prozac and gin fueled our mothers?
Go back to the 40s and we fought a war on bennies, thru was even issued by the bucket to our young commandos. I’d guess submarine crews also got them too.
Growing up where I did, drugs was everywhere. But it didn’t take long after moving away to notice, it had nothing to do with where I grew up, they are just simply everywhere.
Funny enough, a very close friend of mine, joined the Raf in the 90s and alot of them was given the boot for having coke in thier systems.
October 28, 2017 at 9:28 am #13119There is more to this story than published. The last paragraph is totally out of place and completely extraneous info:
“All Royal Navy vessels have a “no touching rule” that prohibits intimate relationships on board.”
Coke orgies on Trident subs?????
October 28, 2017 at 9:50 am #13120Is that a ‘no touching someone else’s coke’ rule. ?
Jk aside, the navy are very strict on hanky panky. Being an ex RM there was few ladies on camp, just a few navy nurses and naafi girls. You was in a world of hurt if caught entering the girls blocks. Not that it stopped it mind.
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