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October 5, 2022 at 9:25 pm #70065
I’m having hell of a time trying to connect wifi devices to my access point at the minute. I’ve recently purchases some smart plugs that I’ve flashed to Tasmota. However, I’m struggling to get them to attach to the wifi. I thought this either down to poor/failed flashing, but I’ve come to the conclusion it could be down the network itself, as I’ve connected them to a protable router without issues, so I’m wondering if my wifi/network is to blame.
I’ve got a 5G router upstairs in my office (ZTE MC801) which is my main access – this is in modem only mode, passing the data straight to my Synology MR2200ac. This has wifi disabled, in part because it sits above my Zigbee USB coordinator on a shelving unit with a switch and this serves my office space. One of the cables from the switch goes in to a powerline where it then goes downstairs and comes out the powerline and in to my WAX204 access point. This serves as the main (and only) wifi access for the entire house.
Now, I’ve got about 25 devices on the network and speeds seem to be reasonable, but these four plugs just don’t seem to like being added. 25 devices seems to be low for stopping anything else joining.
I’ve got my Zigbee network on Channel 11 and the wifi is on Channel 6 – therefore I shouldn’t have interference from those. I’ve also tried moving the wifi network to 11 as that’s the other end of the network to Zigbee’s Channel 11. I’ve tested the plugs in different locations in case signal strength was an issue but that doesn’t seem to be a problem.
Any thoughts?
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
October 6, 2022 at 12:06 pm #70069Just a thought, as these are smart plugs is everything within the same electrical context? i.e. no isolating circuit boards or the like in between the smart plug and the ‘wifi sender’ plug?
October 6, 2022 at 1:54 pm #70070No, no difference as far as I’m aware. I’ve even tried connecting the wifi in the same room as the access point, so that would be the same ring (downstairs sockets).
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
October 6, 2022 at 2:25 pm #70071Wild thoughts again.
Is DHCP enabled on the pc networking? If it is, is your router full up with unused IP addresses, Because I play with Raspberry Pis I find that I have to housekeep on my router now and then to delete shedloads of redundant IP addresses.
I do not know how Tasmota works, but I’d guess that on initiation it first looks for a spare DHCP address.
October 6, 2022 at 3:25 pm #70073DHCP is enabled on the MR220ac. There doesn’t appear to be a full IP address list – however, I will check to ensure that there’s enough space to allocate more – I have recently seen a router only try and allocate IP’s to the x.x.x.100-255 range, (which should still be enough!)
However, I’ll have to check tomorrow as I’m busy this evening out the house.
I believe it’s fine though, as I had one briefly connect yesterday at .2 and another at .119, so seems like lots of space.
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
October 6, 2022 at 4:15 pm #70074Dave can correct me if I’m wrong, but I have the impression that the IP numbers dished out by the DHCP server are random within the allowed range. Mine seem to be all over the place, but the address space not only fills up with the PCs and IoT stuff, but every other bit of connected hardware grabs space and this sometimes grabs quite a lot of IP addresses. e.g. Sky box, Wifi extenders, visitor’s phones/pads etc etc. My BT Homehub does not seem to have any housekeeping system of its own. I do not know if my own housekeeping is necessary, but I like to keep an eye on things that connect to my system.
Incidentally the free version of Fing for the iPhone is a good way to look at your connections whether live or not.
October 8, 2022 at 8:11 am #70080No idea what happened, but the plug was setup the other day and then I’ve plugged it in today and its instantly connected!
Perhaps I’ll try that in the future – setup on a separate network and then change the network to the correct one and then leave it for a day!
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
October 12, 2022 at 1:04 pm #70109ED – some are dished out randomly, some in order, but randomly makes more sense. You could expand the subnet to gain an extra 256 IPs. Change your subnet to 255.255.254.0, so your range would now be say 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.2.255, then expand the pool into it.
But you shouldn’t be running out of IP addresses so it’s probably the lease time. The default is usually 24 hours, but I’ve seen some a lot longer (and shorter). Try setting it to 6 hours. The IP address of a device won’t change unless it renews it outside of this time frame (it will try at half the time) and then only if something else has taken the IP.
So the request isn’t “can I have an IP address please”? it’s actually “can I continue using XYZ”? That’s why random lessens the chance of an IP address being used elsewhere, not that it really matters.
Drezha – welcome to the wacky world of WiFi. Your router shouldn’t be running out of ram to hold the NAT tables etc. which can happen with older routers and the new idea of connect everything including the kitchen sink. Neither should the WAX204 barf at that number of connections.
TBH I wouldn’t worry about the Zigbee and Synology interfering with each other and I think you should have a separate subnet for IoT devices if you can. The issue can be that the controller (an app on a phone or Alexa) has to be on the same SSID as the devices, which is the case with my TP-Link Tapo kit. You could however connect an Alexa to the same IoT network and it would still be able to access the internet.
I don’t think the WAX can do this for you; the Synology can but I believe only through the Guest network (I may be wrong). It’s a piece of pi$$ for Draytek and Ubiquiti though, even in combination.
October 12, 2022 at 5:11 pm #70112The WAX has wifi seperation, so that the wifi devices can’t access the wired items but I’ve had to disable that. Because the WAX is being used as an access point, it’s grouping both WiFi’s on to the same subnet – I guess the Synology sees it all from the same port. If I had it as a router, I think it would be fine. I know the Synology supports seperate subnets for the Guest wifi as that’s how I had it working before I moved it upstairs. Putting the Home Assistant machine on the same subnet could prove problematic, as I think the Synology only does this via the Guest Wifi as you say, rather than hard wired.
The interference between Zigbee and the Synology certainly seemed real – when I turned the wifi off, my Zigbee network sorted itself out. However, that was when I had maybe 2 repeating devices on the Zigbee network – I’ve now added all the Hue bulbs in then house to the same Zigbee network and am controlling them via Home Assistant, rather than the Hue controller, so I’ve a fully functioning mesh network around the house now, so could potentially try and see if there’s interference now.
I did consider getting some Draytek or Ubiquiti as they support VLAN’s, which I thought would be the way forward – It’s clear that the Draytek could have the Home Assistant machine setup on both VLAN’s at once from my reading of this.
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
October 16, 2022 at 11:40 am #70124Yep, Draytek and port VLANs are the simplest way to do it. Isolate the IoT subnet but allow the main subnet access to it.
You still have the issue of WiFi separation, but Draytek SSIDs are also part of the port VLAN matrix. So you could allocate subnet 1 to Port 1 and SSID 1 and subnet 2 to Port 2 and SSID 2.
This is my design for a customers home network to keep his work and home separate but all accessible by him. The secondary WiFi access point is a Draytek unit that is capable of Mesh with other Draytek units.

The matrix is quite easy, just associate a port or SSID with a VLAN and subnet.

Then you set up the interlan routing.

He has a Vigor2762ac but we haven’t added the secondary WiFi yet as his building extension is on indefinite hold. But adding them is easy, they just pick up the settings.
October 16, 2022 at 10:23 pm #70125I think I see myself getting a Draytek at somepoint. Perhaps when my last lot of expenses are paid or I get a refund of my Zigbee solar power meter.
In terms of keeping work and home seperate, I’ve just realised the benefit of that – I’ve been using my home PC for work and when I’ve logged on to change my Microsoft Authenticator, it appears I can wipe my devices (though I don’t recall ticking them box to allow my workplace to manage my device). I mean, when I started working from home it was due to Covid and I didn’t have a laptop for work at the time, but no real excuse now not to be working from it!
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
October 23, 2022 at 11:42 am #70150I’m coming to the conclusion that it *might* be the devices themselves. I’ve just setup the Guest and Wifi networks up on the Synology again and half the plugs reconnected fine, the other half have not. But checking my Home Assistant install, one of them went offline overnight before I even started playing with the devices!
I then spent the rest of the morning trying to speed up my network downstairs to the Apple TV, before checking Apple and finding it’s limited to a 10/100 Ethernet connection, so I wasn’t going to get anything quicker, other than sticking it on wifi! However, for now I’ve had to tick the box that allows me Guest network to access my home network so that all my devices can be accessed via Home Assistant – making the guest network fairly redundant!
Wifi now seems to officially be faster than my powerline networking plugs as well, so it looks like that might be redundant going forwards – now it’s only purpose is to provide internet for the Hue and Hive boxes which are located downstairs, purely to free up plugs in the office!
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
November 10, 2022 at 11:14 am #70229Wifi issues are currently resolved by ditching the Synology and just using the WAX to provide the wifi. Plugs connect fine with no issues. Only issue is that all the guest devices are now on the same subnet but a different wifi connection.
However, a working system for now. Until I save enough to decide to change it.
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
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