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July 7, 2021 at 4:17 pm #68350
I have recently been asked to look at some CCTV and associated networking projects for the MoD (indirectly). They had twigged they were getting royally ripped off by the current incumbent, plus they wanted to use Wi-Fi links rather than dig trenches (one of the sites is 2km across) and had no faith in their ability. Somebody who knew me from my previous work was in the right meeting 🙂
So some site visits and lots of planning work later the scopes are in, past the PM and Finance guys and off to the security and systems design checkers. I’ve dealt with them before so hopefully I’ve covered their needs, which can be extremely anal to the point of absurdity. Cat 5e will be fine and it’s all external, but we’ll probably need £300 a box low halon and other fire related things – to go on poles in the middle of a field.
My work machines have been a six core FX6300 I bought from Bob (on my horribly hacked-by-AMD 970 mobo of the time) and my now 5 year old 6th Gen i5 laptop. Both have plenty of ram and SATA SSDs, but the latest iteration of my CCTV design software (full colour 3D CAD basically) coupled with the size of the projects meant I had to split them up to do the first proof of concepts as neither machine could cope. Even then, the laptop froze when making any changes to camera positions as the CPU hit 100% Also 1366 x 766 is really limiting.
I can’t afford a new laptop with enough poke but I did have a desktop case, SFX PSU and an AS-Rock AMD B450M-HDV motherboard with 8GB hanging about from an aborted job. So off to the suppliers for the missing bits.
I wanted something like the R5 3400GE (4C/8T), but CPUs with integrated graphics are like Dragon poop. To cut to the chase I ended up with an R5 3600 (6C/12T), so need a graphics card which are also like rocking horse sh1t. It has to be low profile to go in the case and, unless I absolutely had no choice, I didn’t want to stoop to the GT710 in the spares box as I am thinking 4K monitor when I can afford it.
To fill in some gaps in supply, Nvidia have dusted off the old Pascal GT1030 and lumped them with 2GB of GDDR4. On EBuyer I found an already overclocked MSI with GDDR5, low profile, passively cooled with HDMI and DP for £75. That’ll do nicely.
I’d recently used a 256GB NVMe PCIe 3 x 4 from Kioxia (Toshiba). It feels just as fast in the real world as a Samsung (the PC boots in seconds) and saves some £, so in it went. Speccy shows it as made by Kingston but I read they have bought out Lite-On so that may not be right. Whatever, it’s quick.
I put another 8GB of HyperX FURY 3200MHz low CL in. I wouldn’t normally go that fast but the original project was for a R5 3400G and it helps with the graphics. I wouldn’t normally go 16GB either.
I needed Wi-Fi for this one, but no need for the latest (I’ll not be upgrading my AP until it becomes EoL) and Bluetooth would be useful. I took a punt on a £17 Ubit AC 1200Mbps Bluetooth WiFi PCIe Card on Amazon Once I’d got the BT driver sorted it’s been very good. It has an Intel AC-7625 card under the heat sink which is 6 year old tech now but still well up to it and matches my AP well.
I also needed a webcam and in the last year I’ve seen people get burned. Back at Christmas I got some £35 Lenovo Essential FHDs for a customer and they were fantastic. Luckily Amazon has them back in stock, but be quick if you want one.
Yes it’s a lovely piece of kit, but TBH it’s no faster than a Ryzen 3 in everyday life because even entry level has become so quick and responsive. But, and it’s a big but, it handles anything and everything I chuck at it. No more closing apps down to finish the CCTV design. No matter what you want to do it just happens. Even in a desktop case everything remains cool enough so there’s no fan noise worth talking about.
Had it not been for the existing B450 motherboard, I may well have gone 10th Gen i5 with UHD 630 Graphics (6C/12T). Intel motherboards are a nightmare compared to AMD, you really need your wits about you. But I found the Intel B560 is in the same sort of niche as the AMD B550M, damn their similar naming conventions.
If the first jobs go well then it’s been intimated I will be appointed preferred supplier. From bits and pieces I picked up they have been fed a load of BS and they were really concerned about the budget when eyeing up more cameras to do the job properly. I found they’d been quoted £8k for a single PTZ camera when questioned about why the cameras being proposed were low resolution. The supplier was also PTZ obsessed (more margin) but they were highly inappropriate for many reasons.
I should find out soon.
July 7, 2021 at 7:14 pm #68353Good luck Dave.
There is an old saying in business. If you can take the piss do it. Seems to me the former supplier was implementing that on steroids.
Anyway. Enough chewing on that one.
I see M$ have lost a 10 billion dollar contract with the military for JEDI cloud services.
Seems to me Dave you could be spreading your bread with this new venture.
July 8, 2021 at 8:33 am #68355Sounding good, Dave. Good luck with the clearance – as you say, they go deep, but you’ve been there before.
On a practical level, how is your ankle going to cope up poles/ladders, or is your previous associate coming along with you?? Too much exercise or even too long standing around these days gives my legs grief – but you are still younger than me!! 😀 Good to see you back here, I can see you’ve been busy for a while though.😀
July 8, 2021 at 8:38 am #68356Sounds promising Dave, hope it works out for you.
July 8, 2021 at 9:50 am #68357Good luck with it Dave, sounds like you know a few people with enough chutzpah to be willing to cross swords with the MOD procurement mafia. As you may remember, Bruce (Micromart) retired from a high level technical job in the MOD, and he never had a good word to say about those in charge of procurement, and their near corrupt relationships with the Arms industry.
July 8, 2021 at 10:46 am #68359Thanks Guys. I’ve just been told we have to go through a third party again. They will add an “admin fee” for which they do sod all. The payment terms are usually the last Thursday 3 months after the month of invoice. They do everything to make that 4 months by not processing the invoice in time. We put in an invoice last week of January and got paid in June.
If that is the case I don’t think we can afford to take on the business. It’s a large contract which involves finding 5 figure sums for buying kit, paying for accommodation etc. Doable on 30 days but tying up that much money for potentially the rest of the year? Not only do we all have to eat but that’s money unavailable for other projects.
This is where it really, really stinks. The big boys hold all the cards and they know it and take advantage of it with no moral scruples whatsoever.
July 8, 2021 at 1:09 pm #68360Well, that sucks!!!
Could you not go down the route of buying it on a Credit Card up front, then transfer the balance to a 12 month zero interest account and re-pay the balance when the MoD pay you??
I’ve seen individuals who have built houses use that method to keep the build going till a second mortgage instalment came in.
Whichever way you go, good luck.
July 8, 2021 at 9:43 pm #68363I’ve been in touch with my Financial Adviser (sounds posh, get one through the Union as a retired member perk) and worked out a way. BTW I don’t go up ladders any more! I will fill you in on my medical woes later but it’s a form of arthritis that’s fusing my spine and causing trouble elsewhere, even my eyes.
It gets worse, “they” want to use my proposals as a basis for others to tender. At least the PM isn’t happy about it and has asked me for a quote for the work done in preparing them. I have rewritten them to take out a lot of detail, it’s one thing outlining a solution to a problem quite another giving the competition the basis for a shopping list.
It’s like people who get architects to do the drawings then pass them to a builder and say here you go, I’m damned if they’ll get half the quantity surveying too.
Quite honestly I probably don’t have too much to fear from the tender process, what worries me is somebody doing it with no knowledge of the networking. This often happens and they’ll buy off the shelf building-to-building links with no idea of their suitability. The dealers they buy from have no clue either, even those who are amongst the big CCTV suppliers. Also some of the dealers solutions are horrendously expensive.
Where distances are short they can get away with it. One site is 2km across and full of tress and buildings right where you don’t want them. I have worked out how to do it and it seems that is now to be shared with others.
Still they could have gone behind my back, and still could. The problem isn’t the PM or the security / design auditors, it’s the faceless procurement people as Ed says. They don’t have a scoobie what they’re looking at and some of the work I’ve had to clear up behind is downright shoddy.
The bigger the business taking on the job the worse it usually is, as the guy doing the job will be 5 or 6 sub contractors deep with no idea of what standards they should be working to. Often they they are just crap. On our last big Navy job I saw BT hauled back to re-cable an entire project as their contractors thought they could choose the cable for the job and were totally unaware of the standards required. They of course fought like hell but didn’t have a leg to stand on. I suspect it’s the contractor(s) that caught the financial flak though.
July 9, 2021 at 10:40 am #68365Just a wild idea for getting wifi comms around a 2k site – use a tethered balloon kitted out with a wifi repeater and a parabolic reflector to get signals back to the mother-lode. The US are very familiar with using tethered balloons in military use, but they call them aerostats.
July 9, 2021 at 1:18 pm #68366Its just a matter of several legs to get around the problem. I do have access to the ex Control Tower but it’s the shortest Control Tower known to man! The problem isn’t airside but the link required there is 1km+. That just needs the right antenna and careful alignment.
The dog legging starts after that because behind are hangars, warehouses, 3 and 4 storey dorm blocks (as high as the CT) and gazillions of huge trees taller again. One of the locals offered to “make some disappear in the next storm” (it’s Steve’s old mob) but they protected and regularly inspected.
Even a balloon / mast would have an issue as the target buildings are of course the shortest with the most trees around them! I’ll be threading the eye of a needle with a bloody camel if I’m not careful, which is what pisses me off so much about my solution being given away to the competition. On the plus side is if Plan A doesn’t work I have a Plan B that isn’t documented as its a nightmare and involves the expensive hire of cherry pickers (and one of us getting certificated in a hurry).
I doubt if much of the competition are aware of Fresnel Zones either. Another thing that isn’t too much of a worry over short distances. They could also fall into the 60GHz trap in pursuit of bandwidth if they just pick out of catalogues (1 GBps no problem – until it rains).
All totally unethical and nothing I can do about it. GRRRRR!
July 9, 2021 at 7:42 pm #68370- A up Dave. So wé all know that you know what your on about. So why not look for an agent. Make the agent aware of your pedigree.
- Let them set your rates and collect the money for you. Also they should be able to get you paid monthly. Of course they Will have a fee. But the proffesional enhanced rates should more than cover this. Just an idea. But i do not know of an agent type to give you the proffesional credit you need. Maybe a government business advisor could help.
July 10, 2021 at 11:39 am #68371That’s more for contract work Teefie, doing the sort of stuff I used to do. Basically the equivalent of a full time job. It’s not as attractive as it used to be with HMRC changing the rules, retrospectively as well, over how contractors pay themselves if they’re using a Ltd.
This is different and will probably end up in some sort of limited partnership or multi director Ltd. It’s bidding for specific projects on a one off basis every time. I have no desire for a full time job working for a “boss” any more. Been there, done that. Of course it can be dog eat dog, but what they’re doing is extremely unethical.
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