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March 20, 2017 at 10:19 am #5371
This might interest some as i8t lists most security software as hacked
https://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2017/03/10/vault-7-compromised-security-solutions/?vaul
March 20, 2017 at 11:41 am #5373It’s not surprising at all. Also if they have it, GCHQ the Chinese, Russians, Germans, Koreans and every other agency out there worth their worth will have it.
Ive said in the past as a brit, it’s the brit government that scares me the most, only because they could actually use whatever data against me. Non of the others can. If I was American if fear the CIA (in this case), especially in their case given they have no jurisdiction in the US.
I’d have to assume in the CIAs case it’s the politicians and heads of industry whey like to keep tabs on, never know when they may need to control some upstanding member of the community, by leveraging that legal but slightly weird porn they like to watch etc.
The more power governments and their agencies get, the more I find my self agreeing with the rural Americans that don’t want government intervention. The “red necks” may of had a point all these years.
March 20, 2017 at 11:46 am #5374What is a shame is that the tech companies will not sign off on fixing the leaks so Wikileaks has not given them to Google et al. LINK
March 20, 2017 at 12:01 pm #5378Probably because the companies probably know exactly what backdoor they have open to cia, and have no intention of fixing it.
Nothing surprises me when it comes to this type of stuff.
March 20, 2017 at 12:03 pm #5380These days I just assume I am being “spied on” 24 / 7 either by Government Agencies or someone trying to sell me something.
March 20, 2017 at 12:23 pm #5381I think the CIA box of tricks is in a different category as now they are now in the public domain or worse. How long before the crims start using them?
March 21, 2017 at 4:13 pm #5415Maybe, (perhaps) we will see some amendments to UK’s RIPA which respect the common-sense judgement handed down by the EU court of justice. The EU’s judgement would appear to respect the need to protect the public from terrorism and SERIOUS crime, but throws out the current PC plod and Local Authority rights to monitor someone for trivial offences such as whether they have a live-in lover (An actual case of just one of the abuses that FOI has revealed).
March 21, 2017 at 6:58 pm #5419Well if any Agencies are reading any of the stuff I post or send, or listening to my phone calls, they will have a cure for insomnia…
When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.March 21, 2017 at 7:38 pm #5428Bob, while I agree with you and much of my stuff is one line in items such as this. However, there are moves afoot, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/21/home_office_admits_its_preparing_to_accept_eu_ruling_on_surveillance/
Nothing set in stone yet, while I am happy to see some wings clipped, everyone and their dog, plus the flees on the dog and the cat for good measure should go, I will not draw out the agony any more than that.
March 21, 2017 at 8:03 pm #5431That is encouraging Richard. The Investigatory Powers Act is something I mentioned in MM forum. Our new MP is a female ex-Barrister and she gave herself a big leg up the greasy pole by working out the framework of the IPA for David Cameron. Theresa May (ex-Home Office Minister of course) gave her another leg up and our MP seems to have the PM’s ear as one of Theresa’s Golden Girls. Watch that Westminster space!
I was quite annoyed about the IPA and actually wrote to our MP to complain about her work with it. However, setting that aside (for now) I am pleased to say that she is becoming a good constituency MP, doing lots of local work and spending a good deal of time up here. Her Constituency Offices are always open in Louth and Horncastle and she has given assistance to many local people. That is what we are used to here and it is what Sir Peter Tapsell always did, right into his 80’s. I have not mentioned the MP’s name, btw: I don’t want to attract “their” attention!
If the government does apply some commonsense to this Bill before it enters Parliament, I would be more content that at least some of our Rights are upheld. My previous comments are of course, in jest: I abhor the amount of interference that government intends to make in our lives. We are the most watched, most listened -to, most guarded country in the world. Putin would give his eyeteeth for the powers proposed in the IPA.
When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.March 22, 2017 at 9:44 am #5440Remember that Putin is a failed KGB officer, he does not need a RIPA or an IPA. There are only two sides you are with him or you do not matter. Above all do not get noticed or you will be dead as many corpses can attest in very many places, including London.
In a past life I often used to machine scan hundreds of thousands of records, perhaps millions looking for perhaps one or two that matched certain criteria. Only that subset was ever examined; it was more like ANPR checking for markers ,though not in real time and long before ANPR ever existed.
It is salient and perhaps salutary to remember that we have been subjected to bombs and other unfriendly actions in the past, but for the moment other targets across the waters are being preferred due to their softer profile. Even Germany is hardening its efforts, while some of the other recent targets are trying to close the critical structural gaps in their capabilities, e.g. France which, while an assiduous data gatherer after its recent history during the Algerian ‘episode’, has known ‘administrative’ issues due to having a number of different parties handling matters.
The very recent prohibition on electronic devices is a reminder that threats do not lay down and wither they simply change, though this is not the first time that electronic devices have been a vector for mischief.
Another very different closed user group to which I belong, reviewed and discussed some material that was not restricted, though it is only available after effort in disparate forms and locations. The discussion was ‘noted’ as I feel it should have been.
March 23, 2017 at 10:11 am #5475“In a past life I often used to machine scan hundreds of thousands of records, perhaps millions looking for perhaps one or two that matched certain criteria. Only that subset was ever examined; it was more like ANPR checking for markers ,though not in real time and long before ANPR ever existed.”
Richard the only problems I have with that sort of system are:
a) Approved criteria for the scan – who sets up the criteria and who approves it.
b) What oversight (automated or otherwise) is there to prevent abuse BEFORE it takes place.
As El Reg reveals, our system of Governmental bodies doing self approval is evidently flawed and wide open to abuse.
e.g. Coppers stalking their ex-partners and their boyfriends.
We NEED the judicial review that the European court mandates.
In point of fact, post Brexit we MUST change our ways or we will have very serious data exchange issues not only with the EU but also the US and others. Brexit tears up our membership of the EU data club, and we must in future meet the more stringent rules that they apply to outsiders.
Many moons ago, before EU data harmonisation, I was involved in negotiating moving personal French data to the UK. Even in those days it was a bleeding nightmare that consumed huge manpower resources both in its negotiation and implementation. It is a matter of economic survival that the UK becomes an approved EU data repository.
March 23, 2017 at 11:43 am #5484Why everyone and their dog has too much access here I will never know.
Though not being related to any UK police I possible have less to worry about
.I am not going to say how or why I had an involvement, I will say that access was ‘very limited’.
There needs to be a balance, and controls, after yesterday’s fiasco had I been in position I would have been expecting to be ‘busy’ , at the beck and call of authorised others, in my long ago role. I would and neither would any of the small group involved have wanted every unfocused prat and their dog getting into their pet theories. Neither would I or anyone else have wanted to take minutes, let alone hours or days ‘asking someone nicely’.
The French attitude to data was ‘interesting’. I was at one meeting that spent several hours discussing and agreeing something. The following day the French delegation leapt to their feet, they had been given strict orders to stop the agreement as it would have limited a department’s actions.
March 23, 2017 at 4:20 pm #5490Sensible rules should not result in undue limitations to operational expediencies. Even I could think of a dozen or so cluster keywords that would spit out most of the suspect list. Someone with operational knowledge could extend that to twenty five keywords that mathematically should go down to individual adult level within the UK Make it thirty keywords and you cover everyone in Western Europe. Add in a few exception status markers e.g. must not be a celebrity, mp, judge journo, related to the inputter etc and you will have a list that few would find a problem to identify a group of potential people to be investigated.All this could and should be set up and agreed well in advance of any operational situation.
The real problem comes when you have the list of 100+ people for whom detailed surveillance data is required. It is at that point that a judge should be looking at the selection criteria and exceptions and ruling yea or nay to individual surveillance or data retrieval. Not something that would get in the way of anything operational and would take maybe half an hour to do.
I will not be drawn on commenting on French bureaucracy or their notoriously corrupt judicial system. The French are something else – a cross between one of the most corrupt societies on earth and one that likes to be able to micro-manage individual lives. Maybe there is a link in that observation.
I once went on a course that included a group of French Government tax auditors – it was the classic ‘who gets the single kidney machine’ consensus group. The group I was in pretty much unanimously decided to dump the tax crooked evaders, which then prompted an outcry from the French auditors that ‘Everyone cheats on their taxes, you just have to look at the numbers of French cars queuing to get into Switzerland each weekend!’.
March 23, 2017 at 6:47 pm #5494I can assure you that it was not any sort of body representing French Tax inspectors, Political interests, accountancy buffs or any of the many other special interest groups. The details were very technical and deeply buried, which is handy as I shredded all notes long ago and cannot go down into them from memory these days.
I am not going to be drawn on search parameters, except to say that mine were supplied by a chain that had no more than a very few steps and was derived from very active investigations. It was nothing like the mismanaged infoslime that I would despise leaking from the likes of RIPA, etc. going rogue was not an option. To be fair neither was issuing warrants with wrong details either which is another ‘well documented feature’ of our present (non) system.
Still enough of looking for rabbet holes down which to fall, I believe that secret services need to be secret and that investigations need to be secret until there is a clear justification for publication. The recent money wasting follies over celebrity witch hunts and other equally crippling transgressions give me more than enough reason to consider public disclosure before verified evidence is found cannot be allowed. Hertfordshire police (the county where I live, thanks guys and women) have paid out £60,000 over one such folly yet the victim is still stuck where he should never have been placed – sadly he is not alone. All because of a stupid, unchecked typing error, the sort anyone of us could fall victim to. Travesty of justice or what?
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