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March 14, 2017 at 12:48 am #5134
Tippon
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Why is there a new trend amongst OS manufacturers to drop wifi connections? Whether it’s Android or Windows 10, whenever my internet connection drops, the OS drops the wifi connection completely :negative:

I can understand a phone OS doing it, as you then switch to a mobile connection and stay online, but at home, I don’t just use my network for the internet. Every time the internet drops, I can’t use my home network, including my backups! Where’s the sense!? :wacko:
March 14, 2017 at 2:13 am #5135
The Duke
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Yes yes yes yes. Android at least 7+, totally kicked me off the router. Now at night in bed thus is a pain as usually I just need to reboot the router, but if you can’t connect I can’t remotely do it.

I’ll pick up my laptop and cos it’s in 10, that won’t connect either.

Ive found if I pick up a second phone, but don’t try to access the Internet ie reload a page, it will be connected so I can reboot the router.

It’s so annoying, it use to just say connected with no Internet , now it just boots you. So so so F-ing annoying.

You triggered me lol.

Come to think of it 6+ also does it as the wife’s P9 does it.
March 14, 2017 at 2:36 am #5136
Tippon
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I can understand the reasoning behind Android, even if it is annoying, but why the hell does Windows 10 do it? :wacko:
March 14, 2017 at 7:53 am #5141
Ed P
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Delve into the Win10 Advanced Power Savings section, even if you have it set on balanced power savings there are often malign greenie bits turning off wifi etc. Skim down about 50% through the link for the advanced bit.
March 14, 2017 at 2:03 pm #5152
The Duke
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I can’t see a part related to this ed. I may of missed it tho

The issue isn’t that wifi turns off, it’s if your router loses Internet ed connection, the OS kicks you off the network and won’t let you rejoin it until the router has an Internet connection again.

In windows10 it is silly it is set to this by default and it must be fixable.
March 14, 2017 at 2:55 pm #5156
Ed P
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Ah – sorry I misunderstood your comment. I agree, Windows 10 comms is total CARP!
March 14, 2017 at 3:39 pm #5160
Dave Rice
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Never seen that behaviour in Windows anything and I’ve been testing WiFi links with no onward internet connection for years.

My whole test network is isolated from the house network by it’s own WiFi router and is rarely connected to it. Sat in my armchair I will regularly flick between it’s WiFi and the main house WiFi if I have some long evening tests going on.

Are you sure it’s not the WiFi part of the router? By default my Ubiquiti AP will do this if there’s no onward connection – the whole SSID disappears – unless I tell it not to (which I do). For any Ubiquiti users out there it’s under Settings – Services – Uplink Connectivity Monitor – untick. There is an explanation for it doing this on purpose but I won’t go into it here as it doesn’t apply to a single AP scenario and so can be turned off.

EDIT – Steve, if you’ve got that fancy Asus box with WRT on it I’ll bet it’s a similar setting in there. Careful what you mess with though! That’s why I have a test network.
March 14, 2017 at 6:31 pm #5164
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Must admit I’ve never seen this in Windows, either. When the Internet drops, I get ‘Conneted: no Internet’, with full access still to my local devices.
March 14, 2017 at 6:32 pm #5165
The Duke
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Your probably on the money Dave, there was a firmware update about a month (or so) ago. I bet that altered it. I have an asus RT-AC66U, running asuswrt version 3.0.0.4.380_4180-ge57f472

I’ll look I to it. What is your router @tippon?
March 14, 2017 at 7:05 pm #5167
PlaneMan
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Jason wrote:

Must admit I’ve never seen this in Windows, either. When the Internet drops, I get ‘Conneted: no Internet’, with full access still to my local devices.

Ditto
March 14, 2017 at 7:28 pm #5171
Ed P
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My comment on Windws 10 comms was somewhat different. If Windows 10 cannot make a connection it will sometimes ‘freeze’ the system until a timeout has expired. The causes are probably some sort of contention between Win10 spyware and certain programs – Acronis and McCrappy are often mentioned.

netsh winsock reset is the ‘solution’ recommended to other caeses where winsock corruption is a suspected cause .
March 14, 2017 at 7:34 pm #5172
The Duke
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Sadly Im not wise enough to spot the router setting that is the culprit!
March 14, 2017 at 9:08 pm #5178
JayCeeDee
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Jason wrote:

When the Internet drops, I get ‘Conneted: no Internet’, with full access still to my local devices.

That’s what I get on my Xperia Z3C on Marshmallow – but the wi-fi is fine ( full signal ), desktop access to the internet is fine, but when the phone is on the lottery app or similar, it won’t connect to check the QR code on the tickets. I’ve Googled the problem to no real avail. :negative:
March 15, 2017 at 12:48 am #5185
Tippon
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I was getting it on my Sky router, and now I’m getting it on my Vodafone router. Both fibre routers, the Sky was N and the Vodafone is AC. It’s not just one system either though, it happens on all my Windows 10 machines, and only one of those has an MS account, so it shouldn’t be shared settings either.

I’ll have a dig through the settings on the PC and router now and see if I can spot anything. I’ve had a separate issue with my wifi though which I noticed last night, so depending on what I find, I’ll post back shortly.
March 15, 2017 at 9:15 am #5202
Dave Rice
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I’m on Sky N. The only thing I have unticked is Wireless Isolation (can’t remember if it’s on by default). Wireless isolation just stops wireless clients from seeing each other, but they should be able to see wired.

I’ve just logged onto the Sky SSID and deliberately disconnected the WAN. If the wireless had gone down too I wouldn’t be able to capture this.
March 15, 2017 at 6:23 pm #5227
Bob Williams
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I have Sky Bband, phone, calls and Q Box. I occasionally get an onscreen TV message “Your connection is not working” or similar. It drops out and in again almost instantaneously. On the very rare (1) occasion that it lasts longer than that, I scrolled down to “Settings” and checked the signal. It was reconnected before I got to that point. I have informed Sky about this, they wanted to send out an ‘engineer’ 🙂 but I always find another problem after one of those comes out.

We have also lost Wls connection to both Wiley Fox phones, but this happens more often. Along with the crap coverage around here and loss of EE signal most mornings, this is annoying. Strangely, the Lenovo tablet does not lose WiFi when the phones do.

The Parish Council has moved the District Council to ‘approach’ Lincolnshire C.C. about coverage and broadband issues. There are quite a few very expensive houses planned and passed for the village, so if the Yuppies get annoyed because they can’t get a Zillion Mbps Download, it might happen. As it is, our first new zillionaire Executive Home resident, moved in down the road a while back, is extremely cross about his Bband speeds. Nice guy actually, garage larger than 4 of our bungalows and several Classics, along with a modern Jag and an Aston. He liked the advice I gave him about the steering vibration in his ’61 E-Type, as I have worked on a few in the past. I like to see how the other 1% lives…

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March 15, 2017 at 6:32 pm #5228
Dave Rice
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The antenna in the tablet will be more sensitive than the phones (cos it’s bigger).

However I’m surprised you have any WiFi coverage issues (EE is another matter).
March 15, 2017 at 8:05 pm #5230
Jason
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Yuppies. Been a few years since I’ve heard that word. 🙂
March 15, 2017 at 9:25 pm #5232
Tippon
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Sorry, you’ve just reminded me about this:

Dave Rice wrote:

I’m on Sky N. The only thing I have unticked is Wireless Isolation (can’t remember if it’s on by default). Wireless isolation just stops wireless clients from seeing each other, but they should be able to see wired. I’ve just logged onto the Sky SSID and deliberately disconnected the WAN. If the wireless had gone down too I wouldn’t be able to capture this.

With Sky, I could get to this maybe 50% of the time. As it is now, if the internet goes down I struggle to connect to the router at all. That’s been the same with both routers.

I didn’t post back last night as the baby woke up and decided that she wasn’t going to sleep until gone four :wacko: I couldn’t find anything that would explain the network dropping though. I did notice a different problem that I’d forgotten about thanks to the crappy Sky router:

My network speeds are crap around the house. I’ve got my computer and a media centre in the living room, and connections between them are really slow, whether it’s transferring files or using VNC. I used Homeplugs at first, then switched to wifi on both, and have even tried a wired connection through gigabit, and it’s made no difference. Last night I was copying a file to the media centre and was getting transfer rates of just over 1MB/s. I paused the transfer as it slowed the whole network to the point where it was unusable, and when I resumed it a few minutes later, it jumped to about 80MB/s with a peak of over 100MB/s, but only for around 30secs in total, as if the file had cached.

Is there something that could be slowing the network down that much from my computer? I’ve just done a quick test by using VNC to connect from my phone to another computer, and it seems faster than from my computer.
March 16, 2017 at 7:55 am #5238
Richard
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I will stick my neck out and see if it bring in any responses.

First up is there any possible wiring problem affecting the slow PC?

Frequent re-transmission attempt due to networking errors?

Could there be a driver problem with the driver on the PC being less than perfect?

Could antivirus software be involved at either end checking the data as it leaves or arrives?

A starting to fail disk drive?

Less than optimum packet sizes across the network?

Background programmes competing? (They not might be things you want or use.)

Anyway, that was just a brain dump, others may question my judgement.

Richard
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