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March 1, 2017 at 12:21 pm #4631
EOL = End of Life
Yesterday I had a plea for help from a recently widowed lady. Her husband has a study /server room literally stuffed full of equipment and she had access to NONE of it as she had never thought to ask her husband for passwords. She had the problem of a large stack of (potentially) valuable kit, and more than a few terabyte disks stuffed with everything from music, family photos to probably full on-line banking and personal details for them both. She was extremely worried (rightly) about letting strangers near this stuff and it was becoming a minor nightmare to add on to the usual horrendous admin that a death in the family brings.
As it happened he had not used an encrypted disk system so it was relatively easy to give her the instructions to by-pass the passwords and gain full system access.
It did however bring home to me the need to treat computer systems as part of the usual will preparation etc. I have now dymo-taped my own access passwords onto the monitor!
March 1, 2017 at 12:33 pm #4632Ed: I wrote this in another Thread: –
” …… I have a WH Smith A5 book that began life as an Alphabetised address book, all my own and others’ details in there, all website addresses, passwords etc. I long since ran out of WHS pages, so I created a document in OOfice: 2x A5 pages across a Landscaped A4 page, alpabetised text boxes with all those details. It was a slight PITA to set up, but once done I update it as new sites/details come up. ”
This should address (unforeseen pun!) the problem for me, with the usual security warnings about placing the book where at least one trusted person knows of it.
My main reason for guarding access to my own passwords, is an inquisitive curious and very bright 11 yo gdaughter, who has to be prevented from accessing anything above her age group. She uses grandma’s lappy with her own UAC, but I have to sweep that occasionally as she is becoming adept at bypassing stuff. That is the result of having a 23 yo brother who is a network engineer: she nags him unmercifully for information!
When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.March 1, 2017 at 1:28 pm #4633I have recently been converted to LastPass and have found it very useful. A whole load of my ( and the wife’s ) commonly used UserName and PassWords are on here, and the master password to this and a lot of lesser used logins are in an A5 book that is an old telephone index book with alphabetized tabs.
Should I pop my clogs unexpectedly, SWMBO knows where it is, but I suspect our son could extract the information without the help of it, if needed.
March 1, 2017 at 3:07 pm #4636To heck with EOL, I made a list of accounts and passwords so that I could know what they all were, some are rarely used and very easily forgotten.
Anything else was a bonus.
However, Ed’s point is a good one, valuable gear and no clues what to do with it, what it was worth and where the important stuff was located is a nightmare. It is not just passwords and ‘software’ accounts, what about insurance policies, investments, house deeds, log books, bank accounts, deposits and so on? Make the life of any executor
easy,no possible by leaving a road map – along with a will. Also give very serious thoughts to an enduring power of attorney, life via the court of protection, perhaps more widely known as the useless court of abuse can be hell. However, do make sure you can trust the attorney to do the right things.I have been an executor and fortunately knew all the affairs of the deceased. Some certificates were still missing when they were needed, which increased both time and costs.
March 1, 2017 at 4:14 pm #4637Luckily the lady in question is reasonably well-off in her own right, so she can afford the professional help she will need to sort through a study chokka-block full of box-files, share certificates etc. That is not an area I want to profess any experience in handling thank you very much. However your point was very valid, rather like my wife pointing out the need to get probate before May 1st to save £’000s. Thank you Mr Osbourne for your sneaky stealth tax!
March 1, 2017 at 4:45 pm #4639Google emails me every 6 months to asked if my EOL info is up to date. If I don’t login to a my primary Google account for a certain length of time it will email, my wife in my case, an email that will give her access to my main account, and it has an attached email with all the account info she needs for stuff, and instructions on what files to keep, and what to do with work files.
Well tbh it says, let your brother….. And he can sort the files out.
Every time Google emails me I look over the info in the email and ammend them.
When way wife got ill, her brother was pit on the EOL mailing list. Just incase.
I’d recomend you all do somthing similar. There are a few companies that offer this. But I settled on Google because they are not going to fold over night, and off they decided to retire the service they will give you plenty of notice.
Also if you dont want to send someone the keys to your Google account, you can tell Google to but it in hibernation for as long as you wish, then delete the it if you dont return in that time.
March 1, 2017 at 5:00 pm #4640If no work has started, unless there are a very simple set of assets, getting the probate application in before 1st May will be a real challenge. The costs of professional support can be eye-watering, never trust a bank! If property is involved things can get costly, though if most of the estate is ‘jointly owned’ (especially the house), then it can make a huge difference to costs and complexity for any widow inheriting. I was able to file for probate within a month of one passing but the other was more complex, (thank you some lesser banks and building societies) and took just over 4 months to be ready to file. There is an issue if you take more than six months as cost then escalate.
Warning, the executor(s) is (are) responsible for any errors and will need to gather papers for any professional. A bit like the usual consultant, ‘borrow your watch to tell you the time and then keep the watch!’
March 1, 2017 at 9:14 pm #4652They were tenants in common. It will reduce tax liabilities but could make things hard with kids from his first marriage clamoring for more.
March 1, 2017 at 10:19 pm #4660Ed I am in a similar but slightly different position, having two biological children somewhere in Germany with dual nationality and two stepchildren here. Coincidentally, the ‘natural’ children’s birthdays are just a couple of months apart in each case, from the stepchildrens’, and the firstborn was a boy in both cases too.
I tried for years to regain contact, but my German kids informed me several times, eventually forcefully, that we were done. As I had brought up my stepkids from young with their mum, they have called me dad since the first year we became a family. When SWMBO and I made a will each, I had the solicitor ensure that the only children to receive any inheritance from myself, are my named stepchildren. I also ensured that, should I predecease my wife, she is the sole beneficiary. The existence of stepchildren and natural children can make for an awkward situation, but I wanted to ensure that the kids I have loved and raised as my own, should benefit, as opposed to those who rejected me. I also wish that the 4 children of my stepkids, eventually benefit. I have been present at all 4 births and they have all called me granddad since they began to talk. In the case of my son’s kids, I am the only granddad they have ever known. This does not mean that I will ever forget my natural children, they never leave my mind for long, but I long ago gave up beating myself up over them. When I left, I discovered back in the UK that my ex had opened my case, removed all the photos of my kids, and burned them, putting the ashes in a small jar and leaving a note to tell me what she had done. In German, with several adjectives and adverbs that I would not repeat here, even in another language.
In today’s world of broken relationships, there must be thousands of similar situations.
When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.March 2, 2017 at 7:48 am #4668Bob, Did you think to keep any written notices from either the vindictive spiteful witch or the sadly infected offspring she clearly poisoned? If you have any evidence of their bile it would be useful to ensure that this is kept associated with the will, I am not sure of the correct way to deal, it might be via a codicil to the will or as a letter to any executor you may appoint. I would try to ensure that something is done so it is legally water tight and blocks any prospect of them being able to come after you.
On the other hand you might be best advised to assume they are dead and buried, though this feels like a dodgy route to take. Assuming that you have not already do so, either way I feel that a legal consultation under wills week or the like might be valuable.
I know it will be no consolation but even when the break was initiated by the female party she is almost always the combative party and full of spite.
March 2, 2017 at 1:24 pm #4676Thanks for the tip Richard, but I had already deposited a ‘final’ letter from each of my German children, with my solicitor, appended to the Will with my instructions and his legal comments regarding my position. They were both well over 21 at the time, the solicitor actually conducted a Search for them via a German lawyer friend of his and discovered what he needed to know. He was astonished at the tone and the language in the letters.
The female party had a Gasthaus, where I lived illegally when I should have been in barracks. I had a very understanding C.O. who turned a blind eye, but told me that it would end if I ever let him down. I never did, but he also met the she-dog and told me this would end in tears someday. I was on my way posted back to the UK for my last few months in service, expecting to take her and the children with me, when out of the blue, she refused to go and barred from the Gasthaus and the kids. I walked down the path for the last time in 1975, with a 5 and 7 yo crying behind me. I had a house and a job all setup.
I made up my mind to forget them, although the pain has decreased with the years, I can never forget them. Meeting and marrying my lovely SWMBO saved my life, I think. Having an instant family was icing on the cake.
If you do right, no one remembers. Do wrong, no one forgets.
When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
I'm out.March 2, 2017 at 2:30 pm #4678Happily I have never been in that sort of situation and it is something that I can feel satisfied about, though not at the expense of neglecting the feelings of others.
While I understand the plan to forget them I also understand that the plan will never work. It might have been a different life but it was still part of your life and can never be taken back again. The pain will always linger on there was after all unfinished business there but well done for forging a new life that is your better life now. The new family have gained and the old one has lost.
Perhaps that is why they are now so bitter?
March 9, 2017 at 10:51 pm #5033Google emails me every 6 months to asked if my EOL info is up to date. If I don’t login to a my primary Google account for a certain length of time it will email, my wife in my case, an email that will give her access to my main account, and it has an attached email with all the account info she needs for stuff, and instructions on what files to keep, and what to do with work files. Well tbh it says, let your brother….. And he can sort the files out. Every time Google emails me I look over the info in the email and ammend them. When way wife got ill, her brother was pit on the EOL mailing list. Just incase. I’d recomend you all do somthing similar. There are a few companies that offer this. But I settled on Google because they are not going to fold over night, and off they decided to retire the service they will give you plenty of notice. Also if you dont want to send someone the keys to your Google account, you can tell Google to but it in hibernation for as long as you wish, then delete the it if you dont return in that time.
Have you got a link for this please Steve?
March 10, 2017 at 5:00 pm #5053Try this
https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/account/inactive
If that fails, Google “Google inactive account manager”.
Took me ages to find this, I couldn’t even find my emails about it, quite hard seaching your inbox for a Google related email.
Ended up searching Google for “Gmail dead man switch”. It put a dent in my google-foo powers. I won eventually.
March 11, 2017 at 12:38 am #5060That’s brilliant, thanks 🙂
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