Massive Power Cut Report

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    Ed PEd P
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      @edps
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      Those who were stuck on trains or otherwise affected by the recent massive power cut affecting Eastern England may be interested in the report into the event and recommended measures. report link

      Massively paraphrasing the report findings, it basically says: “crap happens, and we are not going to spend big money on once in ten plus years events. We will however tell Govia (Greyling) trains to get their act together, and beef up our communications with the public”

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      Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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        @bullstuff2
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        I was having a pee, missus Bob was having a hot shower at the time. I was aware that she knew certain words, but…. 😊😊😊😇

        When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
        I'm out.

        #36685
        Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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          @grahamdearsley
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          Yep, sh1t happens now and again. I was most interested in the bit that said 60 east coast trains didn’t like the look of the incoming power so shut down, requiring a visit from a technician before they would start again.

          #36686
          Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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            @grahamdearsley
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            Why we need the whole country on the same frequency

            I looked long and hard to find out what actually controls the frequency of the National Grid and the best I could find is above.

            The article is by Drax so there is some bias but it is the only place that points out that green power sources just can’t do frequency regulation.

            Load and supply regulation is all that gets mentioned elsewere, and it will help, but not if you have NO frequency regulation capability 🤔

            #36688
            Ed PEd P
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              @edps
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              Managing power supplies is quite complex. It isn’t just the load that matters but also its type (resistance – as in heating, or inductive – as in motors and its impact on phasing). There is also the complexity of their backup routing (which is normally many miles from the ‘main’ route) having different sorts of loads.

              #36689
              Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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                @grahamdearsley
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                Years since I did it but I have a BTEC in ELECTRTCAL&Electronic engineering. Hours of fun was had with power factors and phase diagrams 😁.

                The thing is though, most of that is to do with load rather than frequency. It seems to me that the national grid is normally  very good at managing load but not so good at managing frequency now they have so much unregulated Green stuff coming in as it just syncs to and follows the supply its connected to.

                In the past if the load went down the frequency would tend to go up because the physical load on the generators would go down so they would spin faster and vice versa.

                As Drax point out they can fix that just by altering the amount of steam they use, they are effectively driving the frequency of the grid rather than following it.

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