Unacceptable Face of Conservatism

I am with you JayCeeDee, these are troubled times and a stupid stunt like that deserves a good slap down. What a shame there was not some, (any?) security to block the damned greennoise granny hoodlums and anyone else who thinks it fine to bust into anywhere to do who knows what whenever the humour takes them. I wonder if granny lib would like a visit from someone totally unannounced into e.g. their home to ‘discuss’ their beliefs.

This country has just announced a program of environmental objectives with an end date, but some how I still doubt that granny lib/greennoise wanted to say well done. The fact that it happened so close to a senior police person complaining that venues still had little or no protection from mad terrorists was possibly not far from a few minds.

The thing that will probably stick in most peoples mind is that he went straight for the throat.

He could easily have just got in her way, hand out in front of him and told her she was going no further.

I think both should be under investigation.

The “she could have been armed” is such a get out clause. Compare her actions to people who have been armed and going for victims, totally different and pretty obvious. Did the Borough Market knife-men behave as she did? She wasn’t even shouting Allahu Akbar, she was saying “This is a peaceful protest” never mind the lack of knife.

Anthrax attack? It’s never happened outside of TV dramas. The easily obtainable “weapon” that terrifies right wing politicians is a McMilkshake. Just buy one, get your mates to buy one too and then saunter up and down by a likely campaigner bus sucking proactively on the straw. If you want to be a real rebel, wink at the trapped politician now and then to remind him or her just how much their dry cleaning bill could be.

When was the last kamikazi attack by a ginger haired white woman handing out leaflets? Death by pamphlet? Had it really been a 6 foot 6 knife wielding manic he’d have been out of there or under the table. Typical macho approach, sees an easy target and goes for the big strong man meme. He had plenty of time, nano seconds, to realise what he actually had by the neck and modified his tactics, he didn’t.

He went for the hero of the hour because he thought it would play well to the audience. It didn’t.

What a shower of supermen with all this time to think things through in such refined and fine detail.

Reality check a bunch of possibly woman burst into a room playing a siren and announcing gloom and doom while one of them rushes the head of the table.

What are you going to do?

The very real prospect is that I would remain seated frozen in place and uncertain what was happening, however in the very unlikely event that were not to be the case very probably I would expect to take direct action, though my capacity to do so would probably intervene and I once more would do nothing.

Hindsight gives 20/20 vision everyone now apparently knows that they were just a bunch of attention seekers who got what they wanted and that they were armed with only their own native stupidity, it has not always been the case. Knives do not have to be huge meat cleavers, planes have been hijacked with small knives that were easily hidden but can slash and have slashed throats. Reviewing all the possible options when faced with a real live situation is frankly for the birds or armchair experts. In the event very few know how they would really react unless they were specifically trained to deal with such events. Security people should be so trained but where were they? Stunts like this stupidity should never have been possible.

So Dave and Ed shame on you for assigning false motives in a bluntly put rather less than honest assessment of events.

Couldn’t agree more Richard. As someone who has had to deal with supposed GreenPEACE protesters, and I empasis the PEACE, they are some of the most obnoxious people I have ever had contact with. They see no-one’s point of view but their own and in some circumstances direct action is required.
I have seen the longer video of this incident and in one segment there is another female being escorted out of the room who clearly puts her hand down the front of her low cut dress and takes something out. I don’t know what it was but it could have been anything.
So yes hindsight is wonderful and all seeing but when incidents occur in a short space of time it just ain’t there and let’s not forget that “if you have an honestly held belief that you or another, are in imminent danger, then you may use such force as is reasonable and necessary to avert that danger”. (Common Law R V Griffiths 1988).
So the question to be answered is was the level of force used reasonable and necessary? Unfortunately you or I don’t know what was in his mind at the time of the incident and what his perception of what the danger was.

Ha img seen it, my question is: whare was the security? He was way in his rights to man handle any preserved threat.

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It should of never got that far on the first place.

It’s a story about nothing, if there was no elections looming this wouldn’t of been such a big deal. I’ve seen a few of these type of situations with these private political events whis the same type of outcome, I don’t recall it ever being big news.

For me it’d a non event, the common folk shouldn’t of been there, and they got what they deserved.

Just to add, I’m no fan of thd tories, I have not love for them or desire to stick up for them for any polical reason. I’d say the same no matter the party members involved. Xits dangerous times and they shoidl of had security on the doors, after all they are vips (yuk), which makes them targets. They should of been shot before they got over the threshold. That may be a bit much, maybe just tasered.

Also i have nothing against protesting. Just do it in thd correct fashion. This to me makes them look tw-ts, not the polition that the press is pulling over coals now.

I have just read a great book by a guy called Gary Bell: “Animal QC”. I intend to post about in Book Topics, so will not say much more here than ‘Heartily Recommended.”

Anyway, one of Gary’s cases was defending a bunch of Dog-fight breeders and users. Several dogs were used in this case, brought by the RSPCA and the police. All were injured and scarred, none could be rehomed as they were all trained for nothing else but killing other dogs, for ‘sport’ and financial gain. The defendant was convicted and jailed along with his partners in crime, despite Gary’s defence. As they were taking them down, the convicted crim learned that all the dogs were going to be put down.

“And the RSPCA call themselves animal lovers!” he shouted. I don’t think there could be a suitable answer to the ignorance and stupidity in that remark.

The same kind of stupidity that lets animals escape from testing laboratories, with nowhere to go, knowing no life outside the lab. That invades a chicken farm and letting all the chickens out, naming it as cruel, when all the chickens are free range during daytime, inside only at night. Happened near us, most of the chickens not recaptured, died.

I reqlldont see why anyone is bothered, he did nothing wrong. He stopped her and marched her out. I deal with much worse, in a more aggressive way about once a month.

She shouldn’t of been there and he done her zero harm. Grabbed her, controlled the situation and mar hef her out. I see no issue.

It is not what he did it is the way he did it that causes the problem. Using a choke hold is a totally ineffective way of dealing with a supposedly armed female. Anyone who saw Arya deal with the Night King knows who true that is.

There was absolutely no need to use that level of force, none. It’s the look on his face too.