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  • #30785
    Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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      @grahamdearsley
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      Interesting times at the Sudbury Town Residents Association (STRA). I no longer live in Sudbury but my mum still does and I grew up there so I take an interest.

      STRA has been appointed by Brent council as the local Neighbourhood Forum which gives it a bit more clout but it also means it has to be non political with an official charter and everything.

      The chairman retired at the end of last year and it was all set for the treasurer to replace him when it turns out that she is a secretary to Barry Gardiner MP, something she hadn’t declared.

      Anyway she was blocked from becoming chairman and resigned as treasurer in disgust.

      To make sure things were legal STRA booked an appointment with a solicitor so she could sign over all the accounts. She showed up alright and she brought her boss Barry Gardiner MP with her !

      Barry declared the STRA charter a load of rubbish before admitting it was legal and instructing our now ex treasurer to sign ?

      #30790
      DrezhaDrezha
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        @drezha
        Forumite Points: 0

        Residents associations can get on my goat but mainly due to work. We’ve done some risk assessment work for one or two who then proceeded to ignore our advice. In the end in at least one instance, we felt obligated to report the breaches in protection to the fire service, who, as the enforcement body for the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order managed to get them to undertake the works we stated by issuing them an enforcement notice!

        "Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett

        #30791
        dwynnehughdwynnehugh
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          @dwynnehugh
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          Politics – local or otherwise frightens me – I look at some that govern us!!

          The Welsh Government negotiated a contract so that Pinewood Studios Wales  could take up a new base somewhere in South Wales – they (WG) paid £5M for the property then found out that the roof needed £1M spent on it  – oh yes and by the way – there was something about VAT adding £50k/pa to the total bill, then from memory it turned out not to be suitable for film use – I can be corrected on this. The audit committee or similar have decreed that the WG did not have the necessary expertise to negotiate with such companies!! (Can’t find it on the BBC Wales news site)

          Anglesey – we were to have a new nuclear power station at Wylfa – some of our local politicians went out to Japan for a jolly – I’m not certain if anyone of them was qualified in the nuclear industry – I suspect not. Hitachi put it on hold – TRAGEDY – jollies over!! ?

          We are also told the our negotiators on the UK/EU Brexit negotiations were also lightweight compared to what the EU had.

          I strongly suspect that the only man who ever entered parliament with the right idea was Guy Fawkes!

          The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

          #30798
          Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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            @grahamdearsley
            Forumite Points: 4

            I quite agree Drezha but STRA represents an area rather than a block of flats. STRA mostly concerns its self with dumb a**e planning applications and street care.

            http://stra.org.uk/

            At the moment STRA are supporting high court action against the secretary of state over one of his more stupid planning decisions.

            Sometimes nothing can be done though. Transport for london were forced to declare to STRA (as the neighbourhood forum) that they had sold off all of the parking space at sudbury town station for housing.

            Nothing can be done because the mayor of london has designated Brent as an area suitable for high density housing so the council must build more.

            #30806
            Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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              @bullstuff2
              Forumite Points: 0

              In 2003 I formed an RA in my neck of the woods, initially just for the 23 bungalows which housed all us Oldpharts in Sheltered Housing. Started by myself and a good mate in the Close, now sadly an Alzheimers victim in care. We took annual turns as Chair and vice Chair, with a Treasurer, Secretary, and a Constitution, written by both Chairs and assisted by an ex-barrister. All carried out under the auspices and with the help and support of our Social landlord, in the good old days before Tory cuts and whilst the Housing Trust was still local to Lincolnshire.

              It has by now metamorphosed into one of the largest Housing Associations in the UK and all the support funding is gone. The only government funding they get now is for new builds: maintenance and repair is on a glacial timetable. The fence between my property and next door has been reported for 3 months and is about to fall down for the 3rd time.

              We requested members from the rest of the village via the Community Centre “White Pages” newsletter delivered every house. We called ourselves The L*******e Area Residents Association and attended a Parish Council meeting, whereupon one Council member (a horrible old bat) stated that we could not call ourselves after the name of the village, as we had not “reached  out” to other village residents. I asked if she had received and read the White Pages. She affirmed that she had, so I asked how she missed our half-page advert, requesting residents interested to contact me. That original Council has been gradually replaced by younger and much more tolerant, efficient people, I am glad to say.

              We became a good group and we collected sub’s for various activities including organised trips out: my fellow Chair was PSV licensed and the landlord gave us use of a minibus. We had regular meals out including Christmas Dinners, theatres, cinemas, days out, and we brought some older, housebound residents back into a life outside of 4 walls. Then the Treasurer became seriously ill and the Secretary decided to quit. I called an EGM and asked for volunteers to fill both posts. They all looked at one another. Bear in mind that just 4 of us had done all the work for several years: I told the meeting that, without a Treasurer we could not function and would have to fold the Association. That was exactly what happened. We held some funds, held a vote concerning disbursement and asked the landlord to act for us in giving the money to the NSPCC.

              For some time afterwards, ex-members were asking if I could reform the Association. My response was always the same: yes, if you want to volunteer to be Chair, find a Vice Chair, Treasurer and Secretary, you may take that step yourself. I had enough of being the donkey and the other donkey was of course no longer in the paddock.

              I was reminded of the song – “Everybody wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die.” Sadly, many of the former members have indeed passed on. Associations are always worked and organised by a tiny few, whilst the rest are content to let them.

              When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
              I'm out.

              #30807
              Ed PEd P
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                @edps
                Forumite Points: 39

                Associations are always worked and organised by a tiny few, whilst the rest are content to let them.

                Been there, done that . It is rarely worth the effort. Too many sit back and criticise, and then fail to take up the challenge of doing the job. It is just not worth the aggro. Many Local Councillors feel the same – all responsibility but zero power. They soon come to realise that they are just taking the blame for Central Government’s many inadequacies and stealth taxes.

                #30810
                dwynnehughdwynnehugh
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                  @dwynnehugh
                  Forumite Points: 0

                  Ed P ” .. They soon come to realise that they are just taking the blame for Central Government’s many inadequacies and stealth taxes. ..”

                  Agreed but they earn nice wages and decent allowances to boot. The biggest mistake and I think it was Thatcher who made it, was to introduce Cabinet style local authorities where C Execs now, in many areas, earn well over £200K+.

                  The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

                  #30822
                  Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                    @bullstuff2
                    Forumite Points: 0

                    Dwynne I never forget the Council meeting that Parish Councillors, myself and several other village residents attended, to oppose the building of new homes across the main single carriageway A157 road from the bungalows behind us. Our grounds for opposition were based upon lack of infrastructure, an exit road that is downright dangerous, and a busy bus stop adjacent to the exit road, which comes off a series of sharp bends. The exit road is routed at an angle which means that no driver exiting will be able to see vehicles coming around the bend. There were over 250 letters from residents objecting. The road is quiet atm, but in the holiday season, there is a constant stream of traffic including coaches, caravans, mobile homes and heavily laden cars, not to mention heavy agricultural traffic. When these homes are finally finished and populated, I expect RTC’s. In addition, we oldpharts and schoolkids coming off their buses, are taking our lives in our hands crossing the road even now. The only ‘obstacle’ to traffic is one of those dumb signs which tell drivers the speed of their vehicles. We are organising volunteers with Police-supplied radar guns: in the second largest, thinly populated English county, subject to Force cuts of £3.2 million over the next 12 months, we are to lose even more of our already thinly-spread Force. Our Council Tax precept is to rise by 11%, just to maintain the status quo.

                    At the meeting, 2 Councillors very long in the tooth, had to be nudged awake. I knew we had lost when the Chair began to dismiss our real concerns, one by one. I was asked to leave, simply for standing and voicing my fears, clearly and forcefully, but not loudly and without any form of abuse. we had asked the local media to attend: they promised, but failed to appear.

                    The only local government I have respect for, is our own local District Councillor and our Parish Councillors. All newly elected after the above fiasco.

                    When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
                    I'm out.

                    #30825
                    dwynnehughdwynnehugh
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                      @dwynnehugh
                      Forumite Points: 0

                      I had to deal with community / town councils when I was in the police – mainly in rural Anglesey. Afterwards a report would have to be sent to my DHQ which would commence “At time, date and place I attended at XX  Comm Council. Then the spiel of what was discussed – ALWAYS the same topic just in different orders! My concluding sentence was always “that I did not expect them to be any wiser but possibly better informed” I still stand by that today! But I suppose that SOMEWHERE in the UK there has to be a few competent town / parish councils, just that I have never come across one!

                      The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

                      #30832
                      Ed PEd P
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                        @edps
                        Forumite Points: 39

                        Town/Parish Councils often use NHW Police Panel meetings to bitch about things to any District/County representatives who happen to be there. Often such subjects such as parking/congestion/school runs etc have naff all to do with the Police but it is obvious that there is no other forum they feel that they can use. In such cases I feel sorry for the Police rep who can only make supportive noises.

                        If the Political Crime Commissar stirs their body from their normal position of indolent sloth it gets even worse and turns into an election rally in which claims are made for things that others have initiated and done!

                        P&CCs must be the most stupidly expensive and totally useless idea ever!

                        #30836
                        dwynnehughdwynnehugh
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                          @dwynnehugh
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                          Ed P “. P&CCs must be the most stupidly expensive and totally useless idea ever!…”

                          You won’t get any arguments from me on that comment.

                          Remember years ago going to one particular Com Council – F there had spectacle lenses thicker than many deep sea ROVs would have, showed me photos of drug dealings on top of the spire in the local primary school! Once they wanted a drugs officer (DO) there to tell them about drugs, the local officer was on leave so another took his place and myself as being responsible for the area. Because there were 3 police officers there that night, it was a clear indication of the drugs problem in the village!! Some were so naive  that when the DO spoke about drugs they were unable to understand what he meant – so many actually believed that ‘drug users’ would ask their supplier ‘got any drugs?’  FRIGHTENING!!

                          The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

                          #30873
                          Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                            @bullstuff2
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                            My village has a thriving, successful Community Centre, a large Sports and recreational Field, pavilions and a great hall, built with Lottery Heritage funds, money raised by the Community Centre car boots and renting the Field out for ‘Glamping’ and other organisations. It has its own committee, and the CC holds ownership of the whole area in Trust for the village. Under the previous Parish Council of oldphart minds, the PC attempted to take funds for the Parish and were very actively involved in legal measures to do this. They spent Parish funds on legal attempts and were shot down in flames by the court, which ruled that the Trust had precedence over the land, buildings and facilities. Then the truth about the misspent funds came out. At the next Parish Election, every one of the PC oldpharts were voted out and replaced by the present incumbents, who have a very different attitude.

                            The PC now works with the CC Committee and vice-versa. They have developed a system of ‘borrowing’ items, facilities, experience and funds if necessary, to and from each other. This has created a much happier village: the shop, for example, is run by volunteers and funded from both Committees. Fresh veg and meats are provided by local farmers and butchers, milk from a local dairy, eggs from a huge free range farm some 5 miles down the road. All paid for by one or both Committees and subsidised to almost supermarket prices – for really fresh foodstuffs.

                            Oh: and ice cream from a dairy farm turned ice cream manufacturer, a bit further away. And it is delicious!

                            http://tinyurl.com/y2vcom6x

                            Not every Parish Council is bad. Ours certainly is not, but it took a long time and a scandal to put things right. I love this village.

                            When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
                            I'm out.

                            #30879
                            dwynnehughdwynnehugh
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                              @dwynnehugh
                              Forumite Points: 0

                              Bob – unfortunately my county council has not had the reputation for being above board – though how it is now I’m not certain but probably a lot better I believe/hope!

                              The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

                              #30885
                              Ed PEd P
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                                @edps
                                Forumite Points: 39

                                Corruption around Planning issues is rife in the political sphere, but unfortunately very difficult to prove as many big developers/lobbyists have handy holiday homes off-shore. Just make your own way there to keep the Auditors happy then everything is on us. All a bit like the nice ‘conferences’ that many MPs attend or are booked for a paid ‘speaking’ slot.

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