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July 2, 2018 at 10:05 pm #22569
Don’t we normally have lots of Bees Wasps Flies and Nats when it’s hot.
I have barely seen any, if at all.
Or am I wrong and it’s too early in the year.
I care for these and can’t wait to get the fly catchers out.
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JohnJuly 2, 2018 at 11:38 pm #22570Leave the bees alone John, they are becoming an endangered species!
The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans
July 3, 2018 at 7:05 am #22571I do let them bee, I just wondered where they are, I have had a nest in my loft for a few years no where to bee seen.
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JohnJuly 3, 2018 at 8:17 am #22576The old nest might just have become time expired, then the bees, if it was bees swarm. Sometimes they leave a residue to form another hive, sometimes they all move on. You do need enough flower to encourage the bees, I was shocked to see some out in early February. We have a Mahonia that was in flower back then. A few of the largest bees I have ever seen were harvesting the nectar. I do not think they were honey bees possibly bumblebees or solitary bees. We have regularly had wasps nests in the roof, the largest was about 2 feet high and five~6 feet wide and a similar depth. We have the pest man on speed dial.
The bridleway along which I like to walk the dogs has been pretty well covered in butterflies recently. With one or other of our daughter’s medium sized, but strong dogs to distract me there is not a whole lot of time to concentrate on the insect life, but I would be surprised if there were not half a dozen different types and likely more. What I am pleased about is not seeing too many horseflies, if they bite me I am in trouble. The last time I was attacked my leg swelled up and went an unnatural colour, the swelling never fully went down again. I thought about going out early today but stopped for breakfast first, one of the dogs was unwell in the night and feels very sorry for herself curled up in the basket with the other one crammed in for company, their choice not mine, this morning. When we had our old Labrador there would often be three of them piled in together on top of each other.
July 3, 2018 at 1:20 pm #22582The flies all seem to be in north Wales, the things are driving us mental!
July 3, 2018 at 4:23 pm #22585Lots of bees are in my neighbour’s house across the Close, she has the Pest people in. Also in our Close is a huge wasp nest in a big old Sycamore tree, which has been there since at least 2003 when we moved here. I asked everyone to leave it alone when I found out that wasps in the UK kill millions of tons of other insect pests every year: they eat them before the Queen starts laying, then they paralyse them and put them in the cells with the wasp grubs, to feed on over winter. Most of the adults then die off and a new batch are hatched out in late Spring, after feeding and developing well from the paralysed insects. Wasps are fascinating, without them we would have a serious insect problem, but I still stay clear of them and don’t annoy them, have been stung before. Their sting can be reused up to 20 times, it’s just a hollow tube with a sharpened end. Bees have a barb and die after each sting, so it’s a last resort. Both stings leave pheromones in the stung area, which attracts others from the hive to attack as well.
Ants and wasps share a common ancestor from hundreds of millions of years ago: look at their body shapes. We get flying ants every year, a bonanza for the hundreds of sparrows and starlings around here.
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I'm out.July 3, 2018 at 4:38 pm #22586Bees are at my mother’s place, gorging on all the flowers and plants there. Flying ants are also there, out the front. Went into mum’s house for 20-30 minutes came out to go home and there was a huge swarm of flying ants, all over mine and my mothers car and her neighbours. Turned around and got a face mask and safety glasses and got the hose out to wash them away. 10s of thousands of them.
Hopefully I won’t have to feed the birds as much this week as they pick the little blighters off.
July 3, 2018 at 6:32 pm #22596So they seem to have moved out from round here, I don’t mind you can keep them.
I do like to see butterflies, none yet. The last couple of weeks we have had seagulls and I don’t live by the sea.
But then I haven’t heard/saw them for a few days now.
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JohnJuly 3, 2018 at 11:05 pm #22620Today I went out to dead head and prune my Front garden roses: absolutely covered in bees and hoverflies. Then the wasps turned up, but only to eat the hoverflies. Saw some wasps taking hoverflies away, having paralysed them.
At the end of summer, about September/October, wasps are looking for sweet food. I have a game with them: lay some old, decaying fruit on my back garden slabs, in the direct sun, and wait. The fruit ferments, the wasps eat it and get drunk! Absolutely legless, weaving about all over the place. I have picked them up and let them crawl on my hands, they are harmless, usually fall off and lay on their backs for a bit, turn over and stagger into flight, weaving about. There must be some mighty hangovers in the nest next morning!
John, the seagulls are probably looking for the local Landfill site, there are always masses of them at inland landfill sites, feeding off all kinds of krap. when I lived Living close to the east coast, we get thousands of the buggas and they are better fed, but they krap on my car, so you can have them! No charge…
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I'm out.July 3, 2018 at 11:37 pm #22623The midges and horseflies are in my garden! They know I am here, and want to get to know me better.
I pick my damsons last week in August/first week in September (Manx Grand Prix time) and I am careful not to pop a damson in my mouth without ensuring no wasp attached. They are usually there in there hundreds. However, two years ago I never saw a single wasp whilst I picked close on 30kg.
A decent looking crop this year, all still green. I really enjoy eating damsons as I pick them. Picking them is an art. Dark blue with a characteristic appearance, a sort of thin white sheen. Superb taste.
Les.
July 4, 2018 at 8:49 pm #22653You had a wetter Spring in 2015 Les: http://tinyurl.com/y8d75dv6 (scroll to map)
The IoM suffered with the West of UK from a wetter, colder summer, from a cold wet Atlantic airstream:
Winter 2014 had some humungous storms across the UK, especially the West and wasps, among other predatory insects, would have lost a lot of food for producing young. Under those conditions, they hunker down in the hives and keep warm. Many more adults try to stay alive over winter, but they are weak and unable to breed and feed in any large usual numbers. This has a knock on effect for a couple of years, but then they react by breeding in larger numbers.
I will never forget the massive wasp swarm I saw from the hill at my old garage, which lay at a 3-road crossroads. Fortunately, it went from the roof space of the old pub across the road, up the main road and into a huge old oak tree. Lots of panicking villagers running in every direction! The pub landlord (happened to be my nephew) had no idea they were there, got Pest Control in and found a huge nest, empty of all except hundreds of safely dead wasps. The Pest guy cleaned it out, put in repellent and nephew had it put up over the main bar. Last I heard of it, his stepson had it.
RIP Alan, nephew, brother, best mate. Cancer is a bitch.
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I'm out.July 5, 2018 at 12:05 am #22661My FiL grows apples, peaches, plumbs and raspberrys. His yields are usally big. I like to sit and watch drunk bees. From the fallen plums. Anyhow, this year, he has next to nothing.
He only had one bush tree of each, but not have done anything this year. First summer using the late 80s when he moved in and adopted them.
July 5, 2018 at 7:27 am #22663Years go like that, a badly timed frost or too dry/too wet and the whole crop dynamics change. I am waiting to see how the crap apple tree does this year, most years the apple feed the pigeons, we just do not have time to pick and process the fruit. The pigeons gorge themselves on whole fruit then struggle to take off, they are not drunk just over take off weight. Drunk bees are one thing, they are at end of life by then anyway, drunk wasps are to be avoided, they sting for fun. They sometime just fall out of the sky into open necked shirts, blouses or dresses, damned painful if you cop them. Best to avoid, especially if anyone is allergic.
July 6, 2018 at 12:02 am #22692My poor Roses are suffering in the heat that finally reached us last Friday and has got hotter very day. Rear arbor Yellows and Reds are just doing nothing after a fine show in Spring, now nothing, but new growth showing higher up the arbor. Front massive Peach blooms, size of dinner plates and heavily scented, are dying off in a couple of days. Whites are OK and bloom all year, often in November/December. Pics of Front roses, not doing as well as last year when they covered the wall top to bottom:
This Year:

Last Year:

“This Year”, was taken before today’s work: the water butt you can see, was the cause of about 4 hours of work and Bodgeification today. After much nagging reminding from SWMBO, regarding leaks and an almost-empty butt due to no rain, I set about sorting it out, as I felt great today (didn’t last: 4 hours later I collapsed into the sofa). I cannot get the parts for this old (just 7 years from B&Q) butt system now, they have stopped doing Legacy parts online. So I have had to put together bits from 3 different butt systems and the pipe is around the front now. Which is where I wanted it when I fitted it 7 years ago, butt hey ho, needs must when SWMBO drives. I cleaned out all the krap, disinfected it, hosed it out to get rid of the bleach several times, put sweet water in up to the ¼line. I could not replace the ruined top rubber seal around the join between the downpipes, didn’t have another and B&Q don’t stock it anymore. So I taped it, with layers of waterproof Duck Tape, it worked but took ages. Then it took more time to level off with the spirit level, simultaneously getting 3 mountings screwed to the wall via self tappers and rawl plugs, moving the downpipe up/down until it fitted level. Receiving much unhelpful advice from the overseeing SWMBO at the same time. Good job I had a good result from Chemo yesterday, but the butt now works and no leaks, is level. I have replaced 1.3 Kilos in weight, waist is still shrinking but muscle definition is coming back. I am exercising muscles every day. Put on the shorts that still fitted before the op, today. They fell down straightaway, fortunately I was in the bedroom and subjected to only SWMBO’s amusement. Some women would have just admired my new slimmer physique…? ? ? ? lolz.
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I'm out.July 6, 2018 at 2:54 am #22699Something odd is going on this year. There is an apple tree in my mothers garden and last year there were so many apples that they bent the branches. This year there wasn’t even any blossom.
Got a few bees but no wasps and I think we must have most of the flies too. All kinds including the ones that bite, some I don’t even recognise !
July 6, 2018 at 10:44 am #22709A warm couple of warm late Winter days started all the buds to open, then this was followed by the ‘Beast from the East’. As a result the insect population was decimated and 90% of the buds and flowers never got pollinated or dropped early. I suspect outdoor fruit crops will be low in this area.
July 6, 2018 at 3:04 pm #22714The wasps are coming out in numbers now, but are noticeably smaller than last year. I leave an unpainted patch of roof felt retaining board, for them to scrape some wood and make cellulose for the nests. They are pollinating my roses and killing other insects in numbers too. I see them as a friend, not an enemy. Please don’t kill them if you don’t absolutely have too. If you get stung, get indoors and slap vinegar on it.
Leave the wasp outside, though. ??
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I'm out.July 6, 2018 at 3:21 pm #22717We are currently more or less wasp free this year* and have not seen any hornets, though bees have been abundant. While wasps are a mixed blessing in that they can do some useful work in the earlier part of the year, when they get older and more cranky so do the risks of their activities increase. For those who suffer anaphylaxis, those risks are uncomfortably close to fatal ones. Drunk EOL wasps are a total nightmare as I wrote earlier, it is best to gather up fallen fruit and dispose of it, ASAP in the early morning, before the wasps are warmed up and prowling for a fix.
*The wasps also like to nest in our roof, not seeing them so far this year is an added bonus as my wife’s sensitivity to stings and similar stimuli has reached danger level with a pair of Epipens her constant companion. Her chemo is a right is cocktail of added steroids and anti allergy brews before, during and after the chemo runs.
July 6, 2018 at 4:19 pm #22718Richard I appreciate the danger to people sensitive to wasp and bee stings and hope that she stays free of them. Not putting out fruit to ferment close to your house, is an obvious step. However, we are used to them around us by now and only take care to protect eldest granddaughter, who is a big girl at 21 but totally terrified of them after being stung when young. Her 12 yo cousin grew up in a cottage in the country (back there again from Louth after parents worked to rebuild it as a large 3 bed house) and is unbothered by any insects at all, just waves them away if they get close and has actually joined me in picking up drunk wasps: never once stung. My theory is that they sense unease and panic in humans when they alight upon them, through the skin. This confuses them and, as in all animals, when confused, they attack the source of confusion.
While on service in BAOR, I was having a summer sports afternoon and had spent a pleasant 2 hours or so running across the airfield of my aircraft workshop and through the extensive forest nearby. I returned, bought a Coke at the NAAFI and drank half, laid it on a table and lay face down on my bed for a snooze, when I felt a presence on my back, slapped it and was stung 3 times. Killed it, picked up the can and was stung on the lip. Ejected it from the window alive, had a shower, got into my Droopsnoot Firenza and motored down the B1 to see a friend in Dortmund. Halfway there, another ‘presence’ on my back, more stings, pulled over and removed my shirt. Puzzled German drivers, astonished at the sight of a Brit, naked chest in the breeze and flapping his shirt. AFAIK, the offending insect survived. None of this made me hate wasps: I set my mind to learning about them and it changed my viewpoint about them. Nevertheless, I accept that this view is neither acceptable nor of service to others, in fact can be dangerous for them.
I also appreciate the danger of the Asian Hornet threat in the UK: http://tinyurl.com/ycge3ney
Not just to humans directly, but also as a threat to our bees, who already have problems. And I love Honey! I have it either on toast, or on breakfast cereals instead of sugar. They eat bees and wasps in the nest, but see wasps as the Primary threat and will totally destroy their nests, killing and/or eating everything living, including larvae and young. If you see any, there is a contact email and number to report. Catching and keeping in a jar, etc, would help but I realise that you would prefer to kill, understandably so.
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I'm out.July 6, 2018 at 5:06 pm #22720If a hornet attack situation developed again I think that hornet capture or even hornet destruction would not be top of the action list, but Epipen activation and either immediate evacuation or ambulance summoning.
As for drunk wasps, they do come in all types from almost sober, best avoided through the drunk and raring for a fight to the almost comatose and probably not long for this life. The drunk but fight ready are the ones to watch out for as the others can usually be blocked or dodged.
It has been a mega trying day all round. Daughter was due to start on a course today. I duly delivered her on time, 35 minutes later I had to pick her up again. I still have no idea why her wheels came off but after sedation and a sleep she has slightly recovered some composure. A visit from her care worker followed by a telephone call from the course coordinator completed the afternoon.
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