Nokia & windows phone.

Another instance of M$ attempting catch up by buying companies and milking the best from them. This one rebounded on them in a spectacular manner, which I find myself feeling happy about, for Nokia. Know I should not feel pleased that M$ got a kicking, but I do. M$ began as a company that innovated, but massive amounts of money led IMO to a power complex and a desire to use other people’s ideas and innovation.

Nokia now isn’t the Nokia of old.they are far smaller and manufacture their device via china now.

Ms owned the brand name for a few years, that lapsed about 2 years ago.

Ms all but killed the windows phone about 3 years ago, and I think its officially dead now.

Coincidentally on Thursday, I was set next to a guy in the theatre with a windows phone. Only the second one I’ve ever seen in the wild. The other was a windows 7 phone about 7 years ago. The first windows phone, after win mobile era.

I did buy a cheap win phone just to check not out.it was ok, but the app store was terrible.lack of apps,and a mass of rip off and spam apps.

blacklion1725 wrote:

it didn’t integrate with (computer) Windows at all. Android and IOS played much nicer with Windows Networks than their own (MS) phones. I think the timing all coincided with the Windows 8 disaster and was part of that major downturn in their fortunes. They pretty much made the wrong decision at every time for a couple of years and steered a whole new generation of potential users away from windows. They are still at it now by making Windows 10 seemingly worse at every update – adding useless features and removing or breaking useful ones.

That sounds like the reason for their total failure put as clearly as possible.

I didn’t know they was still making win phones. And don’t understand why they still are. No matter how good a device they build, That war has long been lost.

The expectation of a Windows PC in your pocket, just never materialised. Which was sad as Samsung back in 2013 (note2) had a dock able os that worked great. This is aside from the decent integration with Windows.android already had via many great apps. (push bullet is my fav still) .

Ios has great Mac integration, so Ms have not real excuse.

All that aside, they was just too late to the party, all the devs was invested in the larger platforms.

The os was rather nice, my phone was very cheap, very low end, (it came free with a tablet, iirc £80 for both) but it ran very smooth, far better than cheap androids of the day. It’s media hub (or sothign like that) that pooled all your messages and emails into one thread was great. So they killed it, and sky drive worked great too, again that was killed.

Steve Balmer famously said the iPhone was an overpriced toy, no business man would touch it. Hence Ms being slow off the mark.

It was DOA. A real shame and underhand they way they took control of Nokia and f-ed it up. I took a proper dislike to Ms after that. 1000s of Scandinavian jobs went to the wall, along with one of the best phone makers out there.

keith with the teef wrote:

M$ clearly cocked up on low calibre modles like the 535 and I figure thats what killed off M$ phone?

I disagree, their lowed phones offered somthing android and Apple just didn’t have at the time. A good cheap device. It’s was their top end that suffered, as it was priced like iPhones or android flagships but never delivered the same experience.

What soon happened was, the low end cpus ect… Got good, so we seen the emergence of cheap good android phones, around 2013 with the Moto G and E, and quickly followed behind them was the first one plus phone. Since then, we have been awash with great cheap phones.

Now you need to be a bit simple to have a top tier Android or ios device.

yes, I know I have one, but unless you want the best camera experiance, I couldn’t recommend a top tier phone to anyone. Even then there is little between a 2015 top tier (nexus 6p) and 2018 big boys like the S9 or P20p. Youre really splitting hairs.

The kids moto G (last years) has a camera that is on par with a 2015 flag ship (give or take).

One issue windows phones had with their great cameras on their flag ships was shutter lag, so even when they had the 20mp lumina, it just wasn’t very good for ‘snaps’ . Back then an 8mp iPhone wiped the floor with all, in the daily photo department. So ms stongest positive was also it’s biggest issue. And when the phone is £700, that stands out.

The cheaper 100 windows phones from the era, had terrible cameras, as did the Moto G that was 100, but the consumers expectations was so much lower. As a smart phone both worked excellently. Before that cheap windows phone was against the likes of the HTC wildfire or the Samsung galaxy y (as in why bother). Windows phones was miles ahead of them cheap androids, mainly cos the windows os was tailored for the hardware, and would run very well. Sadly for ms good hardware got cheap, and Android shortcomings wasn’t so obvious.

Not to mention, Windows Phone just wasn’t cool. Which goes along way in covering up cracks.

The Andromeda (nee Courier) is rumoured to be both a foldable pad AND a Win10 phone.

I dunno about the pad aspect, but it could be an ideal ‘personal assistant’ format, assuming they get Edge to start to rival its competitors.

I on’t know whether I’m impressed or astonished that MS are still trying to compete in the portable space. The ship sailed so long ago you think they’d just let it quietly go away. On Edge – it s going backwards and I can’t think of a sigle reason to use it (it used to have a couple of useful features). MS basically have a share of laptops, the shrinking PC market and next to nothing of tablets and phones. If I was them I’d protect what I still have – their update cycle is definitely testing my patience and there must be a lot of other like me.

While some have had problems I am sure, we run 5 Windows 10 machines in this household. Apart from a couple of them heavily delaying one update a while ago and needing a force to be applied update method, they have all pretty much been trouble free. A few old programs have fallen by the way side, some replaced by the writer and others simply abandoned. One old XP era 32 bit program still works after a slight application of the fudge factor to its driver file. One of the PCs is a ten year old Vista era portable, one a 6 year old, (could be 7) portable and the three desktops are about 7 years old so no recent, ‘made for Windows 10’ devices.