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  • #2173
    DrezhaDrezha
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      @drezha
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      So I’m almost 30 (next month!) which seems early for a mid life crises…

      However, I’m thinking of a career change.

      I’ve a PhD and BEng in my current area of expertise (fire safety) but I’m looking at heading to InfoSec/Cyber Security as this is an area I’m interested in. This comes about as I failed to enter the RAF in December as an Intelligence Officer – being ruled as medically unfit for service which is a bummer, after passing aptitude and interview stages.

      My current role is well paid but I’m not happy with it (it’s not what I was expecting at all when I came here – I was expecting more research based stuff, but I’ve ended up doing more fire risk assessment stuff – whilst some of it has been interesting, it’s perhaps less rewarding than I would like. It’s not very mentally stimulating.) I’ve an interview in Manchester next Friday for a similar role (but back in industry, rather than an ex Government institution that’s still seems very heavily public service influenced).

      With looking at moving to InfoSec etc, I’ve no experience in that at all really. I’ve joined the IISP and I’m looking at attending some events for that and looking to figure out what I would need to study to break into the sector.

       

      Am I being stupid looking at a career change already? And potentially going back to University (considering I’ve almost paid of my first student loan) to study something I’m not even sure I’ll be any good at yet? At least with the RAF, all the training would have been provided for the cyber stuff 🙁

      "Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett

      #2174
      PlaneManPlaneMan
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        @planeman
        Forumite Points: 196

        It’s a cliche but happiness is way more important than money.

        You’re young enough to change now.

        I’d say go for it. Only one way to find out if you like it. At least you have something to fall back on.

        #2195
        RichardRichard
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          @sawboman
          Forumite Points: 16

          I ‘sort of’ echo what PlaneMan said with one small warning. It has been said by others that by making one’s outside interest a career you may risk losing the interest and the desire for a career. Only you can decide if that is a real risk. Money is certainly useful but it is not the only or a real motivator beyond a short term effort or drive. Getting an interesting role is vital and a role that you can grow and to some extent self manage is vital at your age. You are certainly young enough to achieve in whatever field you want to pursue.

          Be careful, I sense you feel that you were sold something of a pup with the present job and that it did not grow the way you would have liked, make sure that no future role follows the same furrow. Is there no way that your present employer can smooth your way into the more cutting edge stuff you want? Having said that, it is possible that a commercial outfit might have more incentive to innovate and need leaders able to take on that process.

          When you are depressed or just disenchanted it is very easy to look over the fence and see greener pastures but are they really that green with the substances of life? Do not get caught a second time.

          #2196
          Dave RiceDave Rice
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            @ricedg
            Forumite Points: 7

            I’ve changed career a few times, mostly because I had nothing to lose.

            Having my hobby as a career isn’t an issue as when you make IT your career what you do isn’t remotely like what you do as a hobbyist.

            I’ve looked at these cyber security courses with both my middle son (almost finished a Computer Networking degree) and with my daughter who has it as a banker if she can’t do Modern Languages at a Russel Group Uni.

            You don’t have to get too precious about what Uni either, in my experience the old polys are the best at this sort of “vocational” qualification any way.

            Look for GCHQ accreditation.

            My daughter was looking at Computer Forensics at Uni of South Wales (Treforest) and they even have a mock court room to learn how to give evidence correctly as well as a state of the art clean room. They now offer Masters as well.

            I’ve not been there but I’ve heard good things about the Uni of Gloucestershire’s courses and of course GCHQ (and BJM) is next door.

            #2208
            DrezhaDrezha
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              @drezha
              Forumite Points: 0

              Well the hobby as a job thing was something that I considered when I went to uni the first time round – computers were a hobby but I decided I didn’t want to risk it back then but looking back, everything has kept swinging back to computers really – I’ve published articles on fire modelling using cloud computer for example and one of the areas I’m specialised in is computational modelling.

              I was looking at the Royal Holloway course – seems more focused on the InfoSec side than pure Cyber Security. I was also looking at Plymouth University – it’s closer to home and it’s accredited by BCS and the IISP (who I joined at the start of the year, and looking at attending some networking/CPD events).

              It looks like I can get a Career Development Loan (but not a Student Loan, as I have a PhD already and that precludes me from getting a loan for a masters).

              Biggest risk I’ve got of losing is my house as I only got on the housing ladder three years ago! I’d still need a job to pay my way through the degree, even if the loan covered the costs of the fees.

              "Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett

              #2209
              PlaneManPlaneMan
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                @planeman
                Forumite Points: 196

                It’s a call only you can make.

                No matter what advice you get, it’s your choice. Good luck with what ever you decide.

                #2210
                Dave RiceDave Rice
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                  @ricedg
                  Forumite Points: 7

                  My son is at Plymouth.

                  I went with him on his first visit. The faculty members worked out in 2 seconds flat that I was in the industry. We spent nearly 2 hours just chatting to everyone.

                  They have been very supportive and have some excellent contacts and a good track record of getting placements (Dan spent 13 months in Brussels, others have gone to Cisco).

                  After a visit by Meraki Dan has had 2 phone interviews and this week a proper one in London. Fingers crossed.

                  He’s currently got his head down doing the final 3 months.

                  I don’t need to tell you about Plymouth. I quite like the place and Dan seems happy but my daughter hates it and wouldn’t go there if you paid her.

                  #2212
                  Robin LongRobin Long
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                    @knightmare007
                    Forumite Points: 12

                    The military is what it is some like it some don’t,  does your medical condition bar you from the MI branches of government? are the reserve forces ruled out?

                    I tried to change career and made the wrong choice, when it goes wrong it goes horribly wrong so be sure that there will be a job for you at the end of it and that you will enjoy it, if possible try before you make the jump.

                    Of course, you have to do what you feel is right for you I know nothing of your family situation, willingness to relocate or skills, beliefs or needs.

                    You might try https://www.securityclearedjobs.com/ and see if anything in there tickles your fancy.

                    Edit: and Plymouth is a hell hole full of drunken sailors!! :yahoo:

                    Cheers Knight,

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                    #2216
                    Ed PEd P
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                      @edps
                      Forumite Points: 39

                      Changing ‘job’ is subtly different from changing career. Do by all means change job if you are unsatisfied with your present employer, in fact in many areas of employment you cannot progress without changing companies. Changing career and potentially throwing away 10 years of expertise is a totally different bag of worms and one which may cause you future problems as the country enters into a period of major instability. In this respect I would be very cautious at doing anything which did not <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>build</span> on your current areas of expertise.

                      All that said, you should consider if it would be worth discussing your dissatisfaction with your boss, or the HR department. Some companies have an enlightened view of career development, others do not.

                      If this all fails consider making an approach to a head-hunting firm. You may well find that someone out there is looking for someone exactly like you. If nothing else it will polish up your CV technique.

                      [edit] seems to be a bug in underlining selected text. Underlining as you go <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>seems</span> to work, but also fails when posted.

                      #2220
                      DrezhaDrezha
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                        @drezha
                        Forumite Points: 0

                        Yeah, I’m just trying to get some advice before making a potentially huge decision!

                        Military is out completely – medical verdict was permanently medically unfit so no chance of changing that and speaking to the doctor, my ability to appeal isn’t great due to one of the medical conditions they’re saying is stopping me. Military life isn’t quite ruled out 100% though, as I’m booked on to Officer and Aircrew Selection for the RAFVR(T) in February and I’m involved in the ACO for the past two years since I left when I turned 18. The best time of the week is cadet nights(!)

                        Having done a degree before, I know what I’m looking for now (accreditation with institutes, employment opportunities afterwards etc)

                        Current employer (or at least my boss) does not really have a decent plan for marketing, training or anything else like that and is focused on creating framework agreements with big name clients. All well and good but it’s at the expense of repeat work from smaller companies. It feels very public sector still and it’s not a firm that I’m really enjoying. The fire team within the business forms a very small function in comparison to the rest of the firm and it shows.

                        The interview I’ve got in Manchester next week has come about from seeing it advertised. I’m in a niche profession that if I’m looking at moving, I could probably approach the bigger names without a headhunter, saving them the fees. It’s a question though of if I could port my mortgage to somewhere in Manchester and finding someplace to live up there.

                        It’s trying to find something I’ll enjoy doing!

                        "Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett

                        #2221
                        Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                          @bullstuff2
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                          Hi Drezha

                          A mate was going to move there until yesterday, when his Mancunian GF saw sense and came down to him in Lincolnshire instead. 🙂

                          He had this Link to prices up there, with a warning to review the areas carefully.

                          https://tinyurl.com/zyzetof

                          Hope it helps, gives you an idea of prices.

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                          I'm out.

                          #2223
                          RichardRichard
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                            @sawboman
                            Forumite Points: 16

                            Yeah, I’m just trying to get some advice before making a potentially huge decision! Military is out completely – medical verdict was permanently medically unfit so no chance of changing that and speaking to the doctor, my ability to appeal isn’t great due to one of the medical conditions they’re saying is stopping me. Military life isn’t quite ruled out 100% though, as I’m booked on to Officer and Aircrew Selection for the RAFVR(T) in February and I’m involved in the ACO for the past two years since I left when I turned 18. The best time of the week is cadet nights(!) Having done a degree before, I know what I’m looking for now (accreditation with institutes, employment opportunities afterwards etc) Current employer (or at least my boss) does not really have a decent plan for marketing, training or anything else like that and is focused on creating framework agreements with big name clients. All well and good but it’s at the expense of repeat work from smaller companies. It feels very public sector still and it’s not a firm that I’m really enjoying. The fire team within the business forms a very small function in comparison to the rest of the firm and it shows. The interview I’ve got in Manchester next week has come about from seeing it advertised. I’m in a niche profession that if I’m looking at moving, I could probably approach the bigger names without a headhunter, saving them the fees. It’s a question though of if I could port my mortgage to somewhere in Manchester and finding someplace to live up there. It’s trying to find something I’ll enjoy doing!

                            Can I simply wish you happy hunting and best wishes for a successful result. Do remember you are making any change for your own benefit not for the benefit of anyone else so do all the research and due diligence you need to ensure the ‘best fit’ with all of your needs. If anything does not ‘feel right’ be guided and remove or resolve the issue before you act. There is more than one thing that can satisfy your need for a stimulating and rewarding career, make the task of find one a pleasure as well as a challenge.

                            #2225
                            JayCeeDeeJayCeeDee
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                              @jayceedee
                              Forumite Points: 228

                              You haven’t mentioned whether the GF is happy to move to Manchester,……………… or are you really setting up for a change?? :unsure:  :scratch:

                              You could always, with best advice from professionals, rent out current house, mortgage company permitting, and that could easily pay to rent in Manchester plus change to spare!! Or pay some more off your current mortgage ( again, with best advice).

                              #2229
                              DrezhaDrezha
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                                @drezha
                                Forumite Points: 0

                                You haven’t mentioned whether the GF is happy to move to Manchester,……………… or are you really setting up for a change?? :unsure: :scratch: You could always, with best advice from professionals, rent out current house, mortgage company permitting, and that could easily pay to rent in Manchester plus change to spare!! Or pay some more off your current mortgage ( again, with best advice).

                                She want’s me to get the job and move to Manchester so she can quit her job! Not really an attitude that’s particularly healthy perhaps but that’s her stance currently. Renting is possible on the mnortgage – it adds on 1% to my interest rates but it could suffice for the short term.

                                "Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett

                                #2236
                                The DukeThe Duke
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                                  @sgb101
                                  Forumite Points: 5

                                  I’d imagine the house in Manchester are cheaper. My brother in law has picked up a handful In st Helens town  (round the corner to manc land ) for between 30 and 40k , each they  cost around 15 to 20 to put right and Revalued  at aroumd 80k.  he sold a couple and rents a couple, which all }ay for for themselves.

                                  I’d imagine some that type of area would be a great starting point. Don’t worry about the area, if you can get somewhere cheap enough , live in it a few years untill your on your feet then you can rent out at a profit, and get somewhere else.

                                  If you need more money you could ever sell it at the new market prices or release the capital buy remortgaging at its new referbished price.

                                  Put a 10k deposit down for a 40k house, but say 15k into it, then you revalue at say 80k , meaning you could remortgage and take 35k out the house. You’d be wise to not remorgage if you don’t have to , and just rent it out as a 30k mortgage is cheap, and youll still get £600 a month in rent to cover it’s cost. And let the house tick over untill you retire.

                                  You’d be better off in Liverpool, they talk funny in Manchester  :negative:

                                  #2238
                                  Dave RiceDave Rice
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                                    @ricedg
                                    Forumite Points: 7

                                    40K for a house!

                                    Wouldn’t buy you a plot for a garden shed in the Bristol area.

                                    %age wise prices are rising here faster than London.

                                    #2242
                                    RichardRichard
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                                      @sawboman
                                      Forumite Points: 16

                                      London prices are stupid, even 5% on them is a fortune. A £ 1 million for a small terraced place is bonkers. Even a little way out it is stupid and I can neither see why people spend to much nor how they can afford little more than a flee pit. Just up the road some almost derelict labourer’s cottages from the 1700s went for just under £ 250,000 each. I cannot comment on Manchester or Salford, I was last there in the 1960s. It was sometimes ‘interesting’, but like everywhere there were better and less good parts and that will have continued to this day. Certainly £40,000 buys very little in most places, perhaps enough for a door mat and maybe even a front door, still I would guess that if there is work somewhere about then the journey to work would be less of a pain than commuting into London.

                                      Remember the RMT slogan, You are better off by far if you can get where you are going by car.

                                      It is even better if you can walk to work.

                                      Such things are all part of the package so make sure it all works for you or it will fail badly sooner or later. Family or families can become a real issue sooner than you might expect.

                                      #2260
                                      The DukeThe Duke
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                                        @sgb101
                                        Forumite Points: 5

                                        My area is cheap to buy (relivly ) as we are just that bit to far from the a55, all the villages between her and the main road to chester / Liverpool and man, all under a 40min run once on the a55 are more expensive . We are the end of the line so to speak. Also as there aren’t many jobs, mostly NHS or seasonal, it keeps prices down. We paid 86k for ours in 2005.

                                        For a long time 500k was the sealing price for large finished houses with land. That has ridden about the last two years (but the markets are likley to change for the worts I’m the next 18 months). Most house have only just regained their 2008 price .

                                        But there are still lots of 3 beds under 100k.

                                        But go to the northwest towns , in the less desirable areas and you can pick bargains up, that you can rent to DSS and forget about. A lick of paint every few years. Make for great starter homes too.

                                        #2261
                                        The VFM AddictThe VFM Addict
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                                          @thevfmaddict
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                                          I live in Hillingdon near Uxbridge.   Its a London  Borough and prices now are bonkers.   The youngsters have no chance of getting on the ladder unless both are earning good salaries and delay significantly having children.   Its about time they re-did Monopoly with an up to date version where you just go round and round the board but can’t afford to buy anything.

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                                          #2307
                                          Ed PEd P
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                                            @edps
                                            Forumite Points: 39

                                            Unlike London Manchester has an excellent, cheap public transport system. The trams are really good, but using a car to commute into the centre is both expensive and not very practical. Take your GF out to the Trafford Park shopping centre and she will want to move tomorrow!

                                            As a dyed in the wool southerner I am very impressed with the area – the only downside is the weather at least 3 deg c colder than the south most of the time and it really lives up to its ‘wet’ reputation.

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