What's going on in London?

This is a challenging one to discuss, shall we say he has form in a number of different fields. He appears to have become rather interested in sex abuse trials and his activities have attracted previous attention including ‘earning’ a suspended sentence for contempt of court.

His history of activities are (still for the moment) available via a Google search and either make bad reading, or chart his support for a limited range of causes. His ‘live report’ on one case was not entirely connected with reality, he claimed verdicts were due on Friday though court sources said the case was still in progress. It concerned 9 defendants who are supposed to obtain a fair and legally valid hearing.

A bit of investigating suggests he and his people are building platforms and seeking both nails and planks, but cases should be judged on their merits. Given the nature of the activities I am not surprised that you encountered linked cases. They are a great way to foster the idea of a conspiracy and victimhood.

I thought  the EDL hated TR and seen him as a traitor/turn coat.

Id not heard about the current London issue, but I’d thought he would of found it hard to get a protest going now.

But yes, I don’t like the way the BBC seem to ignore some brand of political parties. I personally have no time for them, but I hate it when the smaller parties are just dismissed by the beeb. If they (the beeb or gov) are so sure the likes of EDL are losers, let them talk, give them their 15mins,and let the public decide. It’s an almost curtain that they will expose themselves and look stupid. So just give the the rope.

Or is the gov terrified that there is something in all that right wing hate? Do they not trust us, the public, to make decisions. Oh wait there, they did, and we are now in the middle of that brexit thing. Forget I said anything. ?

As Ed said the chip wrapper press has reported quite widely and they appear freely available. While the chip wrapper boys and girls do not have a perfect record for accuracy, it is clear that there is no restriction on access to the news. The Independent, (other papers/outlets also write him and his up) state that he is no longer welcome on Twitter. Research the matter, read and decide for yourself on his positions and ’causes’, then hope you will not end up on affected Jury. Some of us believe we are too old and are thus safer.

Tommy Robinson, AKA Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, AKA about half a dozen other names, is a far right troublemaker, and has got himself arrested for, as I understand it, interfering in a court case. He was on a suspended sentence from last year, and turned up to a trial of an Asian grooming gang where the men are either Muslim, or have Muslim sounding names (he strangely doesn’t bother if the accused are white British). He then caused a fuss shouting abuse and accusations which could prejudice the jury and deny the men the right to a fair trial.

He reportedly mentioned the suspended sentence when he was arrested, apparently knowing that he would go straight to jail, and seems to prefer the publicity over the inconvenience of a few months behind bars. This seems to be a staged event, but his followers are the type of knuckle draggers who think that everyone with brown skin is a Muslim and an immigrant, along with stealing jobs whilst also being on the dole. In short, they’re stupid enough to believe him.

Within a few hours of his arrest, several Go Fund Me accounts have been set up in his name, which also says a lot about the people surrounding him.

If you’ve got any doubt about the man’s character, remember that when the taxi crashed in London last year, Tommy Robinson was on the scene within minutes live streaming a xenophobic rant to his followers, while the emergency services were still working on the victims.

Tippon, a very clear account at which I was only hinting. He comes across as the sort of human driftwood that makes problems for others to clear up while serving no useful purpose. I am sure he could find a home in any bunch of thugs you would care to call to mind. If his ‘supporters’, (to support something would you not need enough though thought processes to make a choice?) have too much money, perhaps it is best that they give it to the legal system rather than the brewers. Of course better charities do exist.

To grace him with a political position is really pointless, he and his clan do not deserve that label. Anarchists could be a fitting epithet though trouble maker and rabble rouser is more apt.

Tommy Robinson is a self-appointed spokesperson for Hate Crime UK. FB used to be full of these Right Wing organisations, spouting their poison and attracting all those who think “the immigrants are taking our jobs”. FB not carrying much of that pseudo-patriotic krap now, but you can bump into people with the same views anywhere in the UK. As today, when SWMBO and I visited a Notts beauty spot we always loved but have not seen for about 15 years. Walked halfway around the lake and met two people about our age, started a conversation which turned into a rant about Islam. I asked how many Muslims they knew, or had as neighbours: “Well, none.”

“Then how many have you met personally?” – “None” – So how can you judge those you know nothing about, have never met and never had a conversation with?”

They got up and left.

It certainly does, Spedley. The man is a violent, foul mouthed, racist, waste of space. They should put him in the Wing that houses most Muslim offenders. Perhaps he would be radicalised. Or something.

The Beeb now has more about the gagging of reporting link.On reflection IMO I do not think that the Judge showed good judgement in his actions as it looked more like a political gagging than a move to protect justice in an on-going trial.

Political martyrdom and publicity was what he wanted and has now achieved.

BL I agree that the Muslim Paedo gangs are as evil as they come, but people are beginning to view them as all tarred with the same brush; look at the hate spilled across social media. This does not equate with the Muslim friends I know: for one example, a young couple live next door to my niece, whose husband was left crippled by a massive stroke. He is a very big lad and my niece is quite small. When she needs to take him anywhere, this young couple put him in his chair and then into the car.

The most ironic, stupid thing I learned a couple of weeks ago, concerned a Sikh mate in Nottingham. Vijay was out late, and attacked by 3 thugs yelling the usual “Paki” garbage. How they worked that one out, to fit a 6’6″ Sikh with a turban, I will never know. But unfortunately for them, Vijay is fully trained in his people’s own Martial Arts. He wound up having to call an ambulance and police to the scene, having put all 3 on the deck. The mistake his attackers had made was compounded, when Vijay’s cousin was one of the two coppers.

Certainly there have been some very disgusting crimes against young white children by some Muslim groups, just as with some white groups, but that does not mean that all Muslims, or all whites, are the same. One of my Iraqi mates has said many times how disgusted he and his people are with these gangs. He also says that what they do is totally against the Q’ran and they should be banned from their mosques.

The problem for the police, is being accused of “institutional racism” by all the left wing lawyers and do-gooders. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

BL the obvious problem at the moment is the way anti-social networking can be used to amplify and distort events. The Stephen Yaxley-Lennon case shows that up brilliantly. They were up in arms complaining that the poor fellow was whiter than the driven snow, however his prejudicial reporting of cases, including the exposure of witness and  other case participants has been illegal for a long time, it is called contempt.

This is not to downplay the crimes in anyway, though it should be said that there is a great deal of odious behaviour in too many communities that still goes unreported and unpunished. The sex gang crimes need to be followed through to a legal and legally water tight conclusion. The courts were clearly concerned that intimidation could affect the legal outcome. Some witnesses are at best fragile and should Stephen Yaxley-Lennon’s illegal contempt tip them over the edge into non cooperation whose interests, legal or social would be served?

Allegations of paedophile rape gangs and paedophile activities are currently very common, many do not stand scrutiny, but receive vast publicity only to be found a pile of lies and deceit. Sadly both the police and news outlets share blame with other vested interest groups. Valid court cases are the correct way forward, though I hesitate to say totally open court cases. Some cases, e.g. gangs and drugs cases require extensive witness and victim shielding, while others can be part of a connected sequence of cases. Damage the chain and the whole lot can fail as the CPS and police are all too frequently demonstrating through their sloppy processes.